Oi Micky, this Guy Is Called David Livermore

[murraymints4brighton]

livermore has done f*** all wrong as well when he has been played. the game he was in his natural position he scored and set up a goal. its just micky shoves him to left back and left mid where he has never played before in his career.

 

[Storer68]

and here he is..........ACTUALLY PLAYING FOR US!!!!! and some up[ to date "news" courtesy of Teamtalk

Seagulls duo set to undergo surgery
Brighton pair David Livermore and Adam Hinshelwood are to go under the knife in an attempt to cure cartilage problems that they have suffered.

Livermore: Set for surgery Midfielder Livermore has been playing through the pain for the last few weeks while defender Hinshelwood, who has been on loan at Lewes after recently recovering from his latest knee op, suffered the new injury in training.

"Adam picked it up in training last Friday, but the good news is that the knee he has had all the trouble with has stood up so far," said manager Micky Adams.

"It's more the fact that his body isn't yet used to the rigours of professional football.

"David has had his injury for a short while and has been playing through it for a few weeks."

The players will go under the knife while Brighton have a break in the fixture schedule due to not being involved in the FA Cup this weekend.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

Do you think that El-Abd or Virgo are better central midfielders than Livermore?

Having had a quick look into his career the majority of the past four seasons he has been played on the left either in midfield or defence with the odd foray in the centre. There also seems to be some NSC style building the guy up into a saviour and the point I was actually making is from the original post where he was deemed to have played a big part in helping Hull to the Premiership when he was told he surplus to requirement in January last year when they were bobbing about in mid table. Their run up the table happened after he was shipped out to Oldham on loan.

I agree that Virgo should be playing centre back but if Jarrett is a forward minded midfielder neither El-Abd or Fraser have done bad jobs being the defensively minded one, I'm not certain Livermore is the answer to all our prayers and feel this is a typical NSC hype the player up to an impossible standard before being overly expectant of what he can actually produce on pitch.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

And here is a picture of Kerry Mayo playing against Tottenham.

Or maybe Doug Loft playing against the richest club in the world...

Sorry, I don't see your point.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Having had a quick look into his career the majority of the past four seasons he has been played on the left either in midfield or defence with the odd foray in the centre. There also seems to be some NSC style building the guy up into a saviour and the point I was actually making is from the original post where he was deemed to have played a big part in helping Hull to the Premiership when he was told he surplus to requirement in January last year when they were bobbing about in mid table. Their run up the table happened after he was shipped out to Oldham on loan.

I agree that Virgo should be playing centre back but if Jarrett is a forward minded midfielder neither El-Abd or Fraser have done bad jobs being the defensively minded one, I'm not certain Livermore is the answer to all our prayers and feel this is a typical NSC hype the player up to an impossible standard before being overly expectant of what he can actually produce on pitch.

I agree with some of your points especially about Virgo and that Livermore was shipped out to Oldham, but he has played at a much higher level than El-Abd and Fraser for the majority of his career.
From what I have seen this season Livermore is also a far better passer of the ball than El-Abd or Fraser and for that reason he should be our defensive midfielder alongside the attack minded Jarrett.

 

[Mendoza]

Or maybe Doug Loft playing against the richest club in the world...

Sorry, I don't see your point.

Loft + Livermore = Greatest Night at Withdean this Season

My point is that we have a great central midfielder on our books, but he cant get in the team because we have a f***ing centre back playing there instead of him. One that has offered literally nothing to us in that position all season.

Livermore has played 2 or 3 games in that position and we have looked great against said richest club in the world, as well as him do crazy things like set up a couple of goals and even score!

 

[Peter Grummit]

The point is that Livermore has a proven record at a higher level than the basement of the 3rd Division,and when given a run in the team he played well. Livermore and Jarrett is the effective engine room we need.

PG

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Loft + Livermore = Greatest Night at Withdean this Season

My point is that we have a great central midfielder on our books, but he cant get in the team because we have a f***ing centre back playing there instead of him. One that has offered literally nothing to us in that position all season.

Livermore has played 2 or 3 games in that position and we have looked great against said richest club in the world, as well as him do crazy things like set up a couple of goals and even score!

Fair enough, to be fair he's looked good when I've seen him so I'm not necessarily saying he's not a potential solution...just I'd personally question throwing in pictures of him in high-profile situations in years gone by as evidence to his ability! As I remember correctly, Millwall didn't beat any premiership sides in getting to the Cup Final (maybe Sunderland?)!

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Fair enough, to be fair he's looked good when I've seen him so I'm not necessarily saying he's not a potential solution...just I'd personally question throwing in pictures of him in high-profile situations in years gone by as evidence to his ability! As I remember correctly, Millwall didn't beat any premiership sides in getting to the Cup Final (maybe Sunderland?)!

But Livermore played for five seasons for Millwall as a central midfielder between 2001 and 2006 in what is now called the Championship. Far better experience than El-Abd or Fraser in terms of years and at a higher level too.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

My point is that we have a great central midfielder on our books, but he cant get in the team because we have a f***ing centre back playing there instead of him.

If he is so great a central midfielder why did Millwall and Hull play him mostly on the left hand side of midfield or left back? You and others are hyping him up to such magnitude that it is bound to end in disappointment.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

But Livermore played for five seasons for Millwall as a central midfielder between 2001 and 2006 in what is now called the Championship. Far better experience than El-Abd or Fraser in terms of years and at a higher level too.

He's not there now though is he? Robbie Savage (amonst others) have proven that this pedigree is not necessarily enough. Virgs has spent the last few years in the Championship. If we only judged on experience and previous levels, wouldn't League 1 just be for washed-up Prem and Championship players?

I do agree that Livermore has looked like he could possibly do a job, but I think people's reasoning on here is wrong - the past is the past.

 

[Chesney Christ]

If he is so great a central midfielder why did Millwall and Hull play him mostly on the left hand side of midfield or left back? You and others are hyping him up to such magnitude that it is bound to end in disappointment.

Because they were both top 10 in the CHAMPIONSHIP that season, whereas we are 21st in LEAGUE ONE. Your argument appears to be that someone (allegedly) not considered good enough for centre mid in a top Championship side is thus not good enough for one of the worst teams in the division below. Illogical.

 

[Keeping The Dream Alive.]

Theatre of Trees is right.

Livermore = decent player

That's all.

Virgo played in the SPL and in the Championship for a good few years. Does that make him quality as well? Don't think so.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

Because they were both top 10 in the CHAMPIONSHIP that season, whereas we are 21st in LEAGUE ONE. Your argument appears to be that someone (allegedly) not considered good enough for centre mid in a top Championship side is thus not good enough for one of the worst teams in the division below. Illogical.

No my argument is that NSC are building him up to such a level that expectation will be impossible for him to live up to. I'm not averse to him playing in that position but what some people are doing is rewriting history for their own terms. You are correct in that he has played at a higher level but not as some on here think solely as a centre midfielder, he has spent much of the time playing on the left hand side of midfield or at left back for both Millwall and Hull. He is a utility player who can play in a number of positions not a specialist as some on here think.

 

[Peter Grummit]

No, Brett is right because we can only base our assessment on the evidence which, in my mind, consists of his performances for us (decent) and his past record (consistent at a higher level). The fact he played in the Championship successfully doesn't guarantee he will be brilliant but it does provide relevant evidence.
(Patronising) PG

 

[Mendoza]

If he is so great a central midfielder why did Millwall and Hull play him mostly on the left hand side of midfield or left back? You and others are hyping him up to such magnitude that it is bound to end in disappointment.

I agree that I may be building him up a little to much, I dont want to do it that much after what happened to Jake Robinson.

But when he has played centre midfield he hasnt disappointed, when he has played left back, maybe he wasnt great, but he is not a left back.

Surely he is better than our centre backs El Abd and Virgo, and surely he is better than our youth team product Tommy Fraser?

If he turns out to be shit in CENTRE MIDFIELD I will admit that, but I just cannot see in any way shape or form that he will be worse than El Abd, Virgo or Fraser.

He has had is operation, he has recovered, and he must be worth a go.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

I agree that I may be building him up a little to much, I dont want to do it that much after what happened to Jake Robinson.

But when he has played centre midfield he hasnt disappointed, when he has played left back, maybe he wasnt great, but he is not a left back.

Surely he is better than our centre backs El Abd and Virgo, and surely he is better than our youth team product Tommy Fraser?

If he turns out to be shit in CENTRE MIDFIELD I will admit that, but I just cannot see in any way shape or form that he will be worse than El Abd, Virgo or Fraser.

He has had is operation, he has recovered, and he must be worth a go.

Agree with pretty much everything there and I will admit he is worth a try and I know I keep banging on about it but it isn't the position he has always played in for the last few years which I think some people should heed.

 

[Russell Slade's hat]

Its a well known fact that Livimore should be in the side week in week out,

This just shows that Adams doesn't have a f***ing clue

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

No my argument is that NSC are building him up to such a level that expectation will be impossible for him to live up to. I'm not averse to him playing in that position but what some people are doing is rewriting history for their own terms. You are correct in that he has played at a higher level but not as some on here think solely as a centre midfielder, he has spent much of the time playing on the left hand side of midfield or at left back for both Millwall and Hull. He is a utility player who can play in a number of positions not a specialist as some on here think.

Can you give me the evidence that suggests that Livermore has spent much of his time playing on the left hand side of midfield or at leftback? I have trawled through a number of websites and can only find Livermore mentioned as a midfielder.
This is what is said on Millwall's official site, the club he has played most football for:

Livermore was a centre back as a junior with the Gunners but established himself as first choice in central midfield for Millwall after a spell filling in wide on the left

Notice it mentions a brief spell in wide on the left.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

Agree with pretty much everything there and I will admit he is worth a try and I know I keep banging on about it but it isn't the position he has always played in for the last few years which I think some people should heed.

But central midfield is the position he played in the most during his career. If you have seen Livermore play this season can you honestly say that he is worse in central midfield than Virgo or El-Abd who are actually central defenders?