Nonce found disembowelled at Durham Prison

[The Grockle]

Whilst I have no sympathy for the arsehole who was done over, I do think it’s time we looked into the root causes of pedophilia.
I mean these cases of child abuse are not rare occurrences, and the people who commit these crimes, view child pornography ect are numbered in the tens of thousands. People complain about the lenient sentences dished out to these people but the scale of this problem is simply too big.

 

[TheMajor]

Nonce found disembowelled at Durham Prison


Blimey ! I first read that as "Noone" not Nonce.

I know 2 defeats on the bounce is hard to take but..........

 

[terryberry1]

Whilst I have no sympathy for the arsehole who was done over, I do think it’s time we looked into the root causes of pedophilia.
I mean these cases of child abuse are not rare occurrences, and the people who commit these crimes, view child pornography ect are numbered in the tens of thousands. People complain about the lenient sentences dished out to these people but the scale of this problem is simply too big.

Oh please..... I knew someone would pipe up with a post like this. There is no excuse for being a peodaphile, whether the abuser was abused or not is irrelevant. Looking at root causes is not the answer. The answer is Lethal Injection

 

[BLOCK F]

He certainly appears to have been a dangerous perv,but were the people who did this to him any better?
This kind of self righteousness cannot be condoned.

 

[Acker79]

Oh please..... I knew someone would pipe up with a post like this. There is no excuse for being a peodaphile, whether the abuser was abused or not is irrelevant. Looking at root causes is not the answer. The answer is Lethal Injection

Read that post again. He isn't excusing paedophilia, he is suggesting we try to look at root causes of it because child abuse (and paedophilia would fall into that category) is not that rare, which is surely a good idea? If we can see why it happens, we can perhaps find a way to prevent it in the first place, rather than waiting for children to be abused then killing the, or as some people might call it 'closing the gate after the horse has bolted'.

 

[chimneys]

Of course it is. Most sex offenders are placed in their own section because the rest of the prison population wants to hurt them. If you've murdered someone because of organised crime/drugs or you're an armed robber, chances are you'll still view rapists and paedos in the same light as the rest of us, you'll just be more inclined to do something about it.

Seems Nathan Mann murdered 2 bed bound nursing home lady residents of 56 and 72! And there was a likely sexual motive involved. As much of a scumbag as the child rapist in my book, but likely to be given hero status by some:

"A teenager burglar who killed two patients after breaking into a nursing home was told yesterday he faces at least 30 years in jail.
Nathan Mann was just 19 when he carried out his horrific attack on Rashmi Badiani and Radhaben Chauhan after getting into the ground-floor room they shared through a window.
Both were bed-bound and helpless to resist Mann as he beat 56-year-old Mrs Badiani to death and smothered Mrs Chauhan, 72, with her bedclothes.
Mann has admitted being in the two friends' room at the Hayes Park Nursing Home, Leicester, in November last year, but has refused to say why he killed them.

At Nottingham Crown Court yesterday, where he pleaded guilty to the murders, his counsel denied suggestions of a sexual motive.
Mann, 20, of Crown Hills, Leicester, was remanded in custody for sentencing on July 30.

Mr Justice McCombe warned him he could expect to spend at least 30 years behind bars for crimes of such 'an appalling nature'.

Dilip Popat, Mrs Badiani's brother-in-law, said he should never be released.
Police revealed a member of staff who was carrying out a routine early-morning check discovered the pair’s bodies just before 4am on November 7 last year.
Police believe Mann killed them after sneaking into their ground-floor room through an insecure window at around 11.30pm the night before.
Victims: Mrs Chauhan, left, was beaten to death, and Mrs Badiani smothered

Det Insp Mark Harrison, of Leicestershire police, who led the investigation, said officers would probably never know why Mann turned to murder.
He said the killer had admitted entering the women’s room with the intention of stealing something but had said nothing about what else happened.
Mr Harrison said: ‘Mrs Badiani suffered severe head injuries. No weapon was found, and we were left to deduce that he used his own hands.
‘Mrs Chauhan was smothered with her own bedclothes, which we assume included her pillow.

‘The level of violence against two bed-bound women, both of whom needed constant medical care, is an indication of extreme cowardice.
‘You have to ask why it was necessary to take these two lives and leave their families utterly devastated. There was little of value to steal.’
Detectives were never able to establish whether Mann, who was arrested the day after the killings, actually stole anything from the home.
During legal argument before Mann’s guilty pleas Timothy Spencer QC, prosecuting, suggested there may have been a sexual motive.
He said: ‘Whatever might have been going on in his head, the facts indicate that sexual conduct had taken place in both of these killings.’
But Paul Mann QC, defending, said: ‘We accept the ladies concerned were partially undressed, but he has no recollection of how that came to be.’
The judge ordered medical reports to be carried out on Mann, of Avonside Drive, Crown Hills, Leicester, who admitted two charges of murder.
After the hearing Det Ch Insp Phil Smith described the killer, who has previous convictions for burglary, as ‘a violent and dangerous individual’.
He said: ‘Nathan Mann took the lives of two defenceless and vulnerable women in an unprovoked and cowardly attack as they lay in their beds.
‘This was an horrific incident that devastated two families. I hope that once the sentence is handed out they will be able to begin to rebuild their lives.’

Speaking on behalf of her family, Dilip Popat, Mrs Badiani’s brother-in-law, said Mann deserved never to leave prison for such shocking crimes.
He said: ‘He took away the right to life of two vulnerable women, and for that we would like to see him never having the joy of a normal life.
‘He has taken the smile from our faces and made our lives a misery. We have lost a dear and loved member of our family, and that pain will never go away.’
Mr Chauhan’s son-in-law, Vinjay Solanki, added: ‘My mother-in-law was a strong-willed lady who had devoted her life to helping others.
‘She was recovering from a stroke and looking forward to her grandson’s wedding. She was loved by all her family and always had a smile on her face.
‘Mann took away from us one very precious person who can never be replaced. We will never forgive him - and he must pay for his crime.’

The nursing home, in Cropthorne Avenue, a quiet cul-de-sac in the Rowlatts Hill area of Leicester, offers accommodation for around 50 residents.
It caters for the elderly, people with learning and physical disabilities, people with dementia and people suffering from mental disorders.
Police said that, although Mann was able to enter through an insecure window, they were satisfied the home met ‘standard safety requirements’.


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[Tyrone Biggums]

Oh please..... I knew someone would pipe up with a post like this. There is no excuse for being a peodaphile, whether the abuser was abused or not is irrelevant. Looking at root causes is not the answer. The answer is Lethal Injection

It's a mental disorder. As stated by the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems which is used by the World Health Organisation.

Pretty sure their view on the matter is a far more educated one than yours.

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

He certainly appears to have been a dangerous perv,but were the people who did this to him any better?
This kind of self righteousness cannot be condoned.

say what you like, but there is a 13 year old girl with a life sentence over her head that now has a guarantee that this individual will never be able to harm her again, British justice could not provide the same guarantee

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

It's a mental disorder. As stated by the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems which is used by the World Health Organisation.

Pretty sure their view on the matter is a far more educated one than yours.

that'll make the victims feel better

 

[southern_sid]

It's a mental disorder. As stated by the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems which is used by the World Health Organisation.

Pretty sure their view on the matter is a far more educated one than yours.

Are you saying being a nonse is a illness?

If you are, i want removing from this board asap.

 

[Acker79]

that'll make the victims feel better

I was going to make a similar point about the guy being dead. Has that lifted the life sentance over the 13 year old girl in this case? Has the damage been undone because his guy is dead?

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

that'll make the victims feel better

You mean like the families of those victims this guy murdered to already be in jail?

Make no mistake, the guy who murdered this chap is a far, far worse human being and danger to society.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

Read that post again. He isn't excusing paedophilia, he is suggesting we try to look at root causes of it because child abuse (and paedophilia would fall into that category) is not that rare, which is surely a good idea? If we can see why it happens, we can perhaps find a way to prevent it in the first place, rather than waiting for children to be abused then killing the, or as some people might call it 'closing the gate after the horse has bolted'.

Absolutely. It is far too common, and we need to find out why.

 

[BLOCK F]

say what you like, but there is a 13 year old girl with a life sentence over her head that now has a guarantee that this individual will never be able to harm her again, British justice could not provide the same guarantee

What is the logical conclusion to your point?

 

[The Grockle]

Oh please..... I knew someone would pipe up with a post like this. There is no excuse for being a peodaphile, whether the abuser was abused or not is irrelevant. Looking at root causes is not the answer. The answer is Lethal Injection

Of course there is no excuse for being a pedophile but there are for example links between those who abuse and those who were abused.

As much as people might not want to address the issue, our government and organisations like the catholic church have let down an awful lot of young people under their care and whilst I appreciate the vast majority of those abused grow up to be ‘normal’ members of society some have not.

IMO we need to work hard as a nation to prevent pedophiles having access to children especially children from difficult backgrounds who are at a higher risk but more importantly make sure there is enough help and support for those who were abused or exposed to sex offenders whether it was 30 days ago or 30 years ago.

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

I was going to make a similar point about the guy being dead. Has that lifted the life sentance over the 13 year old girl in this case? Has the damage been undone because his guy is dead?

not neccesserily no ( refer back to post no 28) I'm all for an open mind on this but if, heaven forbid, anything like this happened to a child I knew, what do you think i'd prefer to hear? a) he only done it because he has an illness as classified by the WHO or b) he's had his genitals removed with a rusty razor by a couple of other low lives. Sorry I don't like the answer anymore than you but what can you do?

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

What is the logical conclusion to your point?

probably none, I'm not getting in a row with you or anyone on here, i'm just making my own personal feelings here, I personally feel that in todays society the victims are often at the back of the queue

 

[Chesney Christ]

Oh please..... I knew someone would pipe up with a post like this. There is no excuse for being a peodaphile, whether the abuser was abused or not is irrelevant. Looking at root causes is not the answer. The answer is Lethal Injection

Here here. Who do you think you are, croydon seagull, attempting to come on here and attempt reasoned debate?!?!? This is NSC FFS! You are not welcome here.

I think we should fire all nonces out of a cannon at a wall made of SHIT. Then we'd see how many kids they would touch up.

 

[Acker79]

not neccesserily no ( refer back to post no 28) I'm all for an open mind on this but if, heaven forbid, anything like this happened to a child I knew, what do you think i'd prefer to hear? a) he only done it because he has an illness as classified by the WHO or b) he's had his genitals removed with a rusty razor by a couple of other low lives. Sorry I don't like the answer anymore than you but what can you do?

Neither would offer me comfort.

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

I haven't been in this position and I hope to God none of you have either and if that is the case this whole conversation regarding how you'd feel or what you'd like to do to them is hyperthetical