Nice one DAVE........

[Rougvie]

Much better to invest in other ways.

Absolutely, but even the most cast in stone investment fund will not return the sort of capital that investing in Brighton one/two bed flats will.

I know it takes them off the market for first time buyers, but the return it gives is too tempting to pass up on and I make no excuse that I want my kids to have the best start in life possible when they leave school.

 

[Tricky Dicky]

Exactley, Whilst Labour have indeed thrown a load of money at the NHS over the last 10 years or so it has made very little difference. Here we are 10 years on, not enough beds, long waiting lists, department closures.

Let's look at education. Well I'm glad I didn't have to pay for fees when I went to University at the same time as my Sister. Not sure what my parents would have done. I would still be paying of debt well into my 30s.

Politicians (of all parties) need to realise that just throwing money at a problem does not make it go away. It needs better management and better use of the resources it has.

I actually think the NHS won't last the next 10 years. People are more affluent these days and want the choice. We are all now expecting and demanding a better standard. When we go to hospital we want to be treated like customers not like we should be counting ourselves lucky to have a bed!

Slightly off topic, but can I put a word in, in support of the NHS. I am paid highly and have free private health cover if I want it, but so far have not chosen to do so.

I do use the health service alot, I suffer from Kidney failure, amongst other things. I can always get to see my GP within 2 days if I need to. I have a specialist nurse, trained in my specific requirements who I can get hold of 24/7 if I need to. I need injections and blood tests practically every week, and my local health centre always me to go in at times which suit me (within reason). Now I can't really compare my experience to 10 years ago or more, but that service seems pretty good to me.

 

[Sid James]

 

[Trufflehound]

Re: Re: Nice one DAVE........

I would look forward with a certain amount of horror (and schadenfreude-type glee when the vast majority see straight through it) when George Osborne explains how this is all going to be paid for.

In his own words:

"Any tax reductions we offer to families will be offset with tax increases elsewhere..."

In other words, they don't plan to cut taxes at all - they'll just juggle them around to try and fool peolple into thinking they're getting a good deal. And everyone will fall for it, as usual.

 

[DTES]

Re: Re: Re: Nice one DAVE........

In his own words:

"Any tax reductions we offer to families will be offset with tax increases elsewhere..."

In other words, they don't plan to cut taxes at all - they'll just juggle them around to try and fool peolple into thinking they're getting a good deal. And everyone will fall for it, as usual.

Actually, fuel tax is due for an increase. An extra 10p per litre should do the trick.

 

[Lammy]

On one hand, you're moaning about the tax burden that this horrid government has foisted upon the people, then when a government comes along and says that individuals must pay for their own education, taking the burden off of the state, you moan again. Someone's got to pay for University education - who do you think it should be?

The idea of higher education is that he better educated get better jobs. Better jobs pay more money, people who earn more money pay more tax. If I hadn't gone to university I would not be earning the wage I am now. Therefore I am now paying for my own education.

I have also mentioned that the government is making a LOT of extra cash due to the high price of oil. I have also said that the rate of Super tax (this is a common term used to discribe the current higher 40% tax bracket. You are fully aware of what I'm talking about without the need to split hairs) has not changed for some years. So we are paying mor tax here.

And as you pointed out, Stamp Duty only kick in on house sales over £125,000. Who could afford a great deal more anyway. At least Labour brought the cost of Stamp Duty down.

I'm not suggesting that it's not better. I'm suggesting that they haven't gone far enough given the recent house price rises and the very real problem of first time buyers trying to get a house.


I'm a floating voter. I don't juge parties on how they performed 10-15 years ago. If everyone did that, Labour would not be in power now.

I'm simply pointing out the facts that affect my life directly and how I feel the present government is letting me down. The points that Rougvie mentioned in his opening post struck a chord and I agreed with them.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I'm a floating voter. I don't juge parties on how they performed 10-15 years ago. If everyone did that, Labour would not be in power now.

I'm simply pointing out the facts that affect my life directly and how I feel the present government is letting me down. The points that Rougvie mentioned in his opening post struck a chord and I agreed with them.

Ditto.

I have learned to forgive (although it took some time) the Normans for killing our King.

 

[The Clown of Pevensey Bay]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nice one DAVE........

Actually, fuel tax is due for an increase. An extra 10p per litre should do the trick.

Yes, I'd LOVE to see the new caring-sharing, enviro-friendly Tories announce that as a new policy... and then just sit back and watch the fireworks

 

[Man of Harveys]

Re: Re: Re: Nice one DAVE........

And everyone will fall for it, as usual.

Dunno about that - I think most people are capable of seeing that it's not worth having loadsamoney in the bank if your train to work takes twice as long as it should and your wife died because the local hospital was closed and she couldn't get to the other one on time. All the money in the world won't help you there.

Everyone suffers under what Galbraith called "private wealth, public poverty".

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Ditto.

I have learned to forgive (although it took some time) the Normans for killing our King.

those pesky French.

 

[Trufflehound]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nice one DAVE........

Dunno about that - I think most people are capable of seeing that it's not worth having loadsamoney in the bank if your train to work takes twice as long as it should and your wife died because the local hospital was closed and she couldn't get to the other one on time. All the money in the world won't help you there.

Everyone suffers under what Galbraith called "private wealth, public poverty".

They'll fall for it if The Sun tells them to fall for it.

 

[Tony Meolas Loan Spell]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nice one DAVE........

They'll fall for it if The Sun tells them to fall for it.

It was the sun wot won it!

 

[Trufflehound]

I have learned to forgive (although it took some time) the Normans for killing our King.

Yeah. Bloody Tebbit and Lamont. What did Tom King ever do to them? Bastards.

 

[Lammy]

Absolutely, but even the most cast in stone investment fund will not return the sort of capital that investing in Brighton one/two bed flats will.

I know it takes them off the market for first time buyers, but the return it gives is too tempting to pass up on and I make no excuse that I want my kids to have the best start in life possible when they leave school.

I totally agree. We all do the best for our families. The current rules that we play by allow us to invest in property as a low risk, high return investment. AS it stands I would do the same by my family. I have morals but not at the detrement of my family. I would be a fool not to take on such an opportunity if everyone else is. Not to do so would be putting myself at a disadvantage. I just don't think everyone should. That's all.

 

[London Calling]

Ditto.

I have learned to forgive (although it took some time) the Normans for killing our King.

Well I haven't forgiven them that, our whole culture did a major change following 1066.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Well I haven't forgiven them that, our whole culture did a major change following 1066.

When will people lay off, Adrie.

 

[London Calling]

He will always be William the Bastard

Barrel you're just a french loving sympathiser

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Re: Re: Re: Nice one DAVE........

In his own words:

"Any tax reductions we offer to families will be offset with tax increases elsewhere..."

In other words, they don't plan to cut taxes at all - they'll just juggle them around to try and fool peolple into thinking they're getting a good deal. And everyone will fall for it, as usual.

Listening to the Shadow Chancellor this morning the they are going to pay for tax cuts by switching to "green taxes" so more road tax and fuel duty

 

[The Large One]

I really don't know what everyone moans about.

At the end of the day, everyone across Europe pays roughly the same amount of tax, either directly or indirectly. In the UK, we have a low direct taxation system, and pay higher indirect taxes. Across Europe, the direct/indirect taxation burden varies, but it still comes out pretty much the same.

 

[Lammy]

I really don't know what everyone moans about.

At the end of the day, everyone across Europe pays roughly the same amount of tax, either directly or indirectly. In the UK, we have a low direct taxation system, and pay higher indirect taxes. Across Europe, the direct/indirect taxation burden varies, but it still comes out pretty much the same.

This is true. We all pay about 50% of what we earn in tax (or there abouts).

What the debate is about is what should be 'free', what we should have choice in paying and who should pay the most.