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Tesco in Disguise

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Jul 5, 2003
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From BBC News

Protests have spread across the Muslim world over the publication in Europe of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

The drawings, first printed in Denmark, sparked a fresh row when they were re-run in several newspapers, leading to the sacking of a French editor.

The man named to replace the France Soir editor has now resigned.

There have been anti-French and Danish protests in Pakistan over the cartoons but one Jordanian paper reprinted them urging Muslims to "be reasonable".

Palestinian gunmen briefly surrounded EU offices in Gaza to demand an apology over the cartoons.

Norway has closed its mission in the West Bank to the public in response to threats from two militant groups against Norwegians, Danes and French people.

Foreign ministry spokesman Rune Bjaastad told the BBC News website that the office would remain closed until further notice, but no decision had yet been made on withdrawing staff.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak warned that the decision by some European papers to publish the cartoons could encourage terrorists.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai also strongly condemned their publication, saying it was "an affront... for hundreds of millions of people".

Hundreds of students demonstrated in the Pakistani cities of Lahore and Multan, burning flags and effigies of the Danish prime minister.

EU Trade Commissioner Peter Mandelson also criticised the European papers which re-ran the cartoons, saying they were "throwing petrol onto the flames of the original issue and the original offence that was taken".

The row intensified on Wednesday when France Soir, alongside the 12 original cartoons, printed a new drawing on its front page showing Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian holy figures sitting on a cloud, with the caption "Don't worry Muhammad, we've all been caricatured here."

Publications in Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Spain also re-ran the Danish cartoons to show support for free speech.

France Soir's editor, Jacques Lefranc, was dismissed by the paper's French-Egyptian owner in response to criticism from Muslim groups.

But journalists at France Soir stood by their editor's decision on Thursday, printing a front page picture and editorial in which they strongly defended the right to free speech.

Jordanian independent tabloid al-Shihan reprinted three of the cartoons on Thursday, saying people should know what they were protesting about, AFP news agency reports.

"Muslims of the world be reasonable," wrote editor Jihad Momani.

"What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?"

Some Muslim countries are already boycotting Danish products after a paper there first printed the cartoons last September.

Danish-Swedish dairy giant Arla Foods says its sales in the Middle East have plummeted to zero as a result.

In diplomatic protests, Syria and Saudi Arabia have recalled their ambassadors to Denmark, and Libya has closed its embassy in Copenhagen.

The caricatures from Denmark's Jyllands-Posten paper included drawings of Muhammad wearing a headdress shaped like a bomb, while another shows him saying that paradise is running short of virgins for suicide bombers.

The offices of Jyllands-Posten had to be evacuated on Tuesday because of a bomb threat.

The paper had apologised a day earlier for causing offence to Muslims, although it maintained it was legal under Danish law to print the cartoons.

Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen welcomed the paper's apology, but has rejected calls to punish the paper, saying the government cannot censor the press.
 
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Robot Chicken

Seriously?
Jul 5, 2003
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show us the cartoons then
 


Barrel of Fun

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To be fair, the cartoon is ridiculing their religious "leader" and mocking him. I dare say the Christians would be up in arms if God/Jesus was depicted in a similar fashion.

The fact that the paper invited people to draw pictures and send them in, is a little naive of them!

I personally would have ignored the cartoon, but then it is easy for me to say, as I am not a religious man.

I can't think of a single conflict that hasn't stemmed from religious hatred or differences, but that is another kettle of fish.
 
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Juan Albion

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I think the point is that their religion forbids any images of the prophet Mohammed. They have every right to protest things that are important to them, just as we have a right to protest about LDC etc. Might I suggest that it it Tesco that needs to chill?
 


Tesco in Disguise

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Tesco in Disguise

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Juan Albion said:
I think the point is that their religion forbids any images of the prophet Mohammed. They have every right to protest things that are important to them, just as we have a right to protest about LDC etc. Might I suggest that it it Tesco that needs to chill?

you have every right, mate, and that's the point. if you say something about me, i'm not gonna start burning effigies of you in public. you might say something really offensive that ridicules my most important beliefs but they are my beliefs and you are entitled to yours as much as i am mine. i may well think allah is a cocksucking moron but let me have my opinion.
 




Tesco in Disguise said:
you have every right, mate, and that's the point. if you say something about me, i'm not gonna start burning effigies of you in public. you might say something really offensive that ridicules my most important beliefs but they are my beliefs and you are entitled to yours as much as i am mine. i may well think allah is a cocksucking moron but let me have my opinion.

As an atheist I am not going to get wound up personally about non existant characters. However, a large proportion of Muslims are deeply religious and unlike Christians in the majority of European countries, Muslims actually practice and accord their lives to their religion. So yes I can understand why they get wound up.

The cartoons are offensive and perhaps in our society we have become so immune to insulting each other and that there has been such a degrading of basic social morals. We actually cannot recognise poor taste and offensive material and just plain bigotry?
 
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Mr Fridge

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Does this mean there's gonna be a fatwa (however its splelt) against Boza now, does he have to go into hiding and have to be escorted by special branch?
 


Tesco in Disguise

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...but if they were secure in their faith, why would it bother them? why can't they think "oh, those europeans, taking the piss out of our god. they'll be sorry when allah punishes them for their sins. now, where were we? oh yes, prayer 167 of the day..."?
 


Cartoons portraying all Muslims as terrorists are absolutely f***ing thick. It's similar to portraying all Christians as Hitlers.
 




Simster

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Jul 7, 2003
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London Irish said:
Cartoons portraying all Muslims as terrorists are absolutely f***ing thick. It's similar to portraying all Christians as Hitlers.
Agreed. The point here is that they are utter shite and not even funny. In fact, Jim Davidson is probably plageurising them as we speak.
 


Tesco in Disguise

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true. that is going too far, but having a pop at religious figures is essential for true freedom of speech.
 


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Although they have gone a bit over the top, none of those were funny, and if they take offence to it thats fine. I think the only questions can be raised are how much they have over-reacted. Gunmen going to embassies is ridiculous.
 




Tesco in Disguise said:
true. that is going too far, but having a pop at religious figures is essential for true freedom of speech.

Yes, I agree with that. But I don't think this is a Salman Rushdie situation at all, it's just plain incitement to hate and defame Muslims.
 


Rich Suvner

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Jul 17, 2003
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The newspaper asked for contributions, in spite of knowledge regarding the sensitivity of the depiction of Mohammed. Whilst this is pretty crass on behalf of the paper, the reaction strikes me as totally over the top.

Complain yes if that's your belief. But this extreme reactionary stance just seems to go too far.

Are adults not supposed to be able to express displeasure and opinion without resorting to such provocative means. Some members of the Muslim community need to grow up and stop snatching the media limelight from their fellow people who dont need intimidation to win an argument.

Pathetic.
 








bhaexpress

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Jul 7, 2003
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I can tell you one thing, if a similar cartoon mocking Christ was published in a Moslem publication that many people in the US Bible belt would be up for Nuking ALL Moslem countries.

I can actually fully understand just how offensive that is to Muslem and I don't think too many realise just how important Islam is to the average Muslim, frannkly I don't blame them for being offended.
 


Tesco in Disguise

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be offended, fine. that's your problem. but getting together an armed mob and storming embassies is pathetic.
 


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