Murder in Sainsburys over queue jumping

[Gazwag]

I read in yesterdays newspaper about this 57 year old man who was accused of queue jumping by this women in Sainsbury's in South London.

Apparantly she rang up her boyfriend who ran to the store and hit this "queue jumper" resulting in him hitting the floor with his head.

Yesterday he was in a coma, today I see the poor chap died.

What is this country coming to.

Both are being charged with murder, I just hope they don't get away with manslaughter, scum of the earth.

BBC NEWS | England | London | Woman accused of shopper murder

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

It was not even the same bloke involved in the queue jumping. Very sad.

 

[Gazwag]

It was not even the same bloke involved in the queue jumping. Very sad.

really

 

[bigc]

really

It all sounds suspect to me.

The original queue jumper was a teenager, surely even some thick as shit moron can't mistake a 57 y.o for a teenager..

 

[Wardy]

ooohhh ohhhh can I please say (since I have never done it before)

FIXTURES

Killed for NOT queue jumping - North Stand Chat

 

[Rangdo]

It all sounds suspect to me.

The original queue jumper was a teenager, surely even some thick as shit moron can't mistake a 57 y.o for a teenager..

The guy probably tried to step in and took a punch for his trouble. The moral of the story? Never try to help anyone. Ever. Look after number 1 and keep yourself to yourself.

 

[eastlondonseagull]

Mate of mine was there shortly after it happened. The woman's been charged with murder, now, too. Stupid bint.

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[bhaexpress]

The guy probably tried to step in and took a punch for his trouble. The moral of the story? Never try to help anyone. Ever. Look after number 1 and keep yourself to yourself.

Actually it was because the silly bitch pointed at the victim not the culprit.

 

[Double Hard Bastard]

People are c"nts!

 

[clippedgull]

Both are being charged with murder, I just hope they don't get away with manslaughter, scum of the earth.

BBC NEWS | England | London | Woman accused of shopper murder

I fear this will be reduced to manslaughter before trial

Mainly for the reasons that his defence team will probably say that killing the victim was an unintended consequence of the aggressors actions.

I hope the murder charge will be followed through of course for this unhuman entity

 

[eastlondonseagull]

I fear this will be reduced to manslaughter before trial

Mainly for the reasons that his defence team will probably say that killing the victim was an unintended consequence of the aggressors actions.

I hope the murder charge will be followed through of course for this unhuman entity

For murder, don't the prosecution have to prove intent to kill? 'Cos, if so, they'd have difficulty, surely? I doubt the bint called her fella to come over and kill the queue jumper. Always confuses me, this murder / manslaughter conundrum.

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[Pavilionaire]

And even with this kerfuffle they didn't even open another till! I blame Jamie Oliver.

 

[Gwylan]

For murder, don't the prosecution have to prove intent to kill? '

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Not quite. According to Archbold, (the criminal law 'bible') "For the principal defendant, (see later for joint enterprise) the intent for murder is the intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm (GBH), nothing less."

So if you mean to hit someone, that's enough to have you convicted.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I fear this will be reduced to manslaughter before trial

Mainly for the reasons that his defence team will probably say that killing the victim was an unintended consequence of the aggressors actions.

I hope the murder charge will be followed through of course for this unhuman entity

I don't see how it can be murrrrderrrrr. How do you prove he intended to kill someone?

 

[clippedgull]

I don't see how it can be murrrrderrrrr. How do you prove he intended to kill someone?

I can't see it being possible in this case. Although the poster above says the intention to cause GBH can lead to a murder conviction. Let's hope so.

 

[Gazwag]

I don't see how it can be murrrrderrrrr. How do you prove he intended to kill someone?

I understood that he was not in the shop and was rung by his girlfriend so therefore came to the store with the intension of GBH so therefore, hopefully, will get a murder charge, although I'd bet the jury reduce it to manslaughter

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I can't see it being possible in this case. Although the poster above says the intention to cause GBH can lead to a murder conviction. Let's hope so.

Yeah I didn't know that. Personally although this case is terrible, I don't see it as murder.

 

[nwgull]

Yeah I didn't know that. Personally although this case is terrible, I don't see it as murder.

I do, she didn't call her boyfriend up for any reason other than knowing that he'd give the bloke good pasting.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

I do, she didn't call her boyfriend up for any reason other than knowing that he'd give the bloke good pasting.

But for me that isn't murder .I don't know what the legal definition is , but my definition invloves a premeditated plan to kill someone. And please before anyone jumps down my throat, I don't in anyway condone this terrible act.

 

[nwgull]

But for me that isn't murder .I don't know what the legal definition is , but my definition invloves a premeditated plan to kill someone.

The legal definition is that if you intend to give someone a good pasting and end up killing them then it's murder.