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[News] Middle East conflict



Zeberdi

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You get the distinct feeling that both sides are now just lobbing symbolic gesture amounts of weaponry at each other. Middle East equivalent of opposing football fans luzzing rubber matting at each other in Brighton station. Long may it last šŸ¤ž
Yes, certainly seems like it - bizarre way to de-escalate - retaliate with less and less weapons until they stop - bit of a risky strategy though!
 




Triggaaar

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There seems to be quite an entrenched view in some quarters, that the West Bank is a legitimate part of Israel. I guess when a country has occupied land for a generation, built homes and set up businesses on it, it becomes harder to convince subsequent generations that this wasnā€™t their land in the first place šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

Like Russia occupying Ukraine, it should never be accepted.
 






Zeberdi

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Well this is an interesting development and the first of its kind - Blinken said on Friday the US is considering imposing cuts to Israelā€™s orthodox fighting force that operates in the West Bank for violating human rights, which has the support of the Israeli Labour opposition leader who says they are ā€˜killing Palestinians for no real reasonā€™ - now Netanyahu says he will ā€˜fight against any sanctionsā€™


It remains to be seen how Netanyahu thinks he can stop the US applying sanctions - the relationship is becoming decidedly scratchy - Blinken clearly thinks that the US not Netanyahu should be driving policy in the ME.
 




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Well this is an interesting development and the first of its kind - Blinken said on Friday the US is considering imposing cuts to Israelā€™s orthodox fighting force that operates in the West Bank for violating human rights, which has the support of the Israeli Labour opposition leader who says they are ā€˜killing Palestinians for no real reasonā€™ - now Netanyahu says he will ā€˜fight against any sanctionsā€™


It remains to be seen how Netanyahu thinks he can stop the US applying sanctions - the relationship is becoming decidedly scratchy - Blinken clearly thinks that the US not Netanyahu should be driving policy in the ME.
We hear a lot about the US government's 'frustration' with Netanyahu but it doesn't prevent them sending weapons and ever increasing amounts of $$$ (a huge $26 million announced on Friday). It's just fiddling around the edges and not addressing the crucial problem... the US's continued funding of the onslaught.
Turn off the tap!
 


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Meanwhile mass graves have been discovered in the grounds of the Nasser Medical Centre in Khan Younis with over 180 bodies.

Here's Sky News reporter posting about it on X:


Expecting this to be headline news on all the channels, but...
Animated GIF
 


Zeberdi

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We hear a lot about the US government's 'frustration' with Netanyahu but it doesn't prevent them sending weapons and ever increasing amounts of $$$ (a huge $26 million announced on Friday). It's just fiddling around the edges and not addressing the crucial problem... the US's continued funding of the onslaught.
Turn off the tap!
Yep - many people feel the same way tbh and in an ideal world maybe, if Israel was not also surrounded by Iranā€™s proxies that are ongoing threat to her security (and will be until the Palestinians have an independent State imo). Until then token gestures of sanctions are probably all we are going to get.

The US/UK still recognises Israelā€™s right to protect herself and supplying weapons has always been a part of that. There is a conflict of interest in the West in making Israel militarily weak. Israelā€™s allies are not going to leave Israel vulnerable to an existential attack from Iran and the axis of resistance.

Disarming Israel to the extent Netanyahu canā€™t continue with the war in Gaza isnā€™t a solution therefore. - Hamas still needs to be defeated (if not now, eventually) and Hezbollah are not going to stop lobbying missiles over the border unless there is a commitment by Israel to end the occupation of the Palestinian Territories.

A negotiated ceasefire, with the release of hostages, release of Palestinians being held in detention without trial and withdrawal of the IDF from Gaza is the only way forward I think - along with an immediate moratorium on settler expansion in the West Bank.

 
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knocky1

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The antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isnā€™t Trump instigating, itā€™s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.
With Jewish Voice for Peace being amongst the organisers of the protests your use of antisemitism is highly questionable.

It would be hard to believe Trump could have offered more support to Netanyahu or sent more bombs to kill and displace civilians than Biden has.

Weird election coming up though.
Vote Trump for the death of Ukraine and Palestinians.
Vote Biden for the death of Palestinians.
 






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Sky News verifies mass graves around hospital site and the IDF admits to digging up Palestinian bodies: "The examination was carried out respectfully while maintaining the dignity of the deceased," the IDF said. "Bodies examined, which did not belong to Israeli hostages, were returned to their place."

But satellite imagery and footage uploaded to social media verified by Sky News shows extensive damage to the sites. Bulldozer tracks were left among the graves.

The antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isnā€™t Trump instigating, itā€™s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.
That ā€™reportā€™ quoted is by a Jewish organisation that has spoken out against antisemitism for decades but more recently has been criticised as having a pro-Zionist agenda (one Trump has shared with Netanyahu) including by members of its own staff - it is unlikely to be unbiased reporting (ie reporting that also acknowledges an exponential rise in Islamophobia in campuses across America too.

So for ā€˜balanceā€™ - have been shocking reports of Islamophobia throughout the university system too -

Yet islamophobia is often not accorded the same response, as one College department at MIT wrote: ā€œMIT has deprioritized the fight against islamophobia on campus ā€” leaving Muslim, Arab, and Palestinian students subject to continued public harassment, doxxing, and even physical assault,ā€ the group wrote. Meanwhile, a spike in antisemitism on campus has been the subject of two congressional hearings.ā€œ

The truth is, discrimination in the form of antisemitism and islamophobia has increased exponentially on college campuses in the States since 7/10 and itā€™s disingenuous to highlight just one over the other to try and make a political point imo.
 
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aolstudios

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With Jewish Voice for Peace being amongst the organisers of the protests your use of antisemitism is highly questionable.

It would be hard to believe Trump could have offered more support to Netanyahu or sent more bombs to kill and displace civilians than Biden has.

Weird election coming up though.
Vote Trump for the death of Ukraine and Palestinians.
Vote Biden for the death of Palestinians.
'Jewish' voice for Peace is Antisemitic. Every time it speaks. That's what it's for.
Much like its sister, 'Jewish voice for Labour' was in the words of Jon Lansman of all people, "created specifically & only to deflect from claims of antisemitism by the Corbyn administration"
Have you read 1984?
 


nicko31

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The antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isnā€™t Trump instigating, itā€™s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.

Don't forget your buddy Trump just a few weeks ago claimed Jewish people who vote for Democrats ā€œhate Israelā€ and ā€œhate their religion". The bloke has plenty of form in this area
 






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It's on the BBC ( but I know they're biased and so don't count ).
I posted Monday lunchtime - and the BBC/Sky et al finally caught up by Tuesday evening. I wouldn't go as far to say that they're purposefully biased, more scared of even attempting to be 'even-handed' in their presentation of events from Israel/Gaza and the occupied territories.
 


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