Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[The Wizard]

Boris was just asked

‘Will the government produce the scientific evidence behind the 10pm curfew?’

His answer

‘We are doing it to stop the virus’

 

[The Wizard]

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Scotland just announced closure of pubs and restaurants across large parts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54449573

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Scotland just announced closure of pubs and restaurants across large parts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54449573

She’s doing her bit to keep the Union together.


Utterly lost it.

 

[nicko31]

Scotland just announced closure of pubs and restaurants across large parts.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54449573

Tough decision but its the correct decision IMHO

Just hope there is targeted support for this industry now to get through a tough winter

 

[Albion Dan]

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Interesting to see how this goes.

The government are effectively killing night life, music, and art culture. Football probably not going to survive as we know it either for most of the country.

If this goes on much longer we are going to be left with a society devoid of anything other than functional existence and state control of our lives as most the population will be dependent on hand outs to survive.

 

[darkwolf666]

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Even a cursory study shows the graphs were absolutely all over the place, and full of inconsistencies, poor pre-suppositions, "bad" science if you will.

As David says, if one of his students presented evidence like this, he "would take a very dim view". But it passes muster for some of the most important announcements in our lifetimes, arguably?!

It may be that they want to scare the idiots into taking it all a little more seriously. But something seems amiss. Previously, the noise from the scientists is that the general population has actually been far more compliant than their modelling of lockdown had predicted...

Hmm.

Well, the time scales may be a little out, but the graph doesn't look quite so back of a fag packet today, does it?

 

[atomised]

Well, the time scales may be a little out, but the graph doesn't look quite so back of a fag packet today, does it?

So you're maintaining that graph they presented is spot on and that come the 13th October we will have 49000 cases a day. From 14k to 49k in the next 6 days. An interesting thought.

Apologies. Just saw you had said the timescales may be out

 

[atomised]

The government are effectively killing night life, music, and art culture. Football probably not going to survive as we know it either for most of the country.

If this goes on much longer we are going to be left with a society devoid of anything other than functional existence and state control of our lives as most the population will be dependent on hand outs to survive.

And those not reliant on that will be left with a life of all work and no play

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Tough decision but its the correct decision IMHO

Just hope there is targeted support for this industry now to get through a tough winter

£40 million won’t touch the sides.

 

[nicko31]

£40 million won’t touch the sides.

True

The eat out to help out money shall have been used over the winter when the help will be needed. In the summer it was unnecessary

 

[The Wizard]

Sturgeon is a disgrace, an absolute plague upon Scotland. She’s forcing places not to serve alcohol and close at a certain time + masks between bites of food and other rules, guess what, nobody will go, but because she hasn’t specifically said they have to shut up shop completely she won’t be liable to support these businesses. Odious troll woman.

 

[Weststander]

True

The eat out to help out money shall have been used over the winter when the help will be needed. In the summer it was unnecessary

Restaurants praised it as a business saver. Filling normally dead days.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Sturgeon is a disgrace, an absolute plague upon Scotland. She’s forcing places not to serve alcohol and close at a certain time + masks between bites of food and other rules, guess what, nobody will go, but because she hasn’t specifically said they have to shut up shop completely she won’t be liable to support these businesses. Odious troll woman.

Yep, it’s starting to look like they are trying to shift the blame like Johnson

1/5 infections are from restaurants/Bars - why not work with them and make sure they are enforcing the rules instead of shutting down.

She also said about 1 percent of people that should are not wearing masks, they are starting to look like not being as affective as hoped

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Restaurants praised it as a business saver. Filling normally dead days.

They wouldn’t have lasted till winter.

I think Rishi will walk if the same restrictions are brought in down here

 

[Weststander]

They wouldn’t have lasted till winter.

I think Rishi will walk if the same restrictions are brought in down here

It seems inevitable, CV19 on the march.

So many conflicting arguments, chaos, no one knows what to do. According to European correspondents today, anger and protests in Ireland and Belgium lately. The WHO’s Director for Europe reported yesterday than 60% of Europeans have pandemic fatigue.

An example of the mayhem, the Labour mayors of several northern cities, all of which have high and growing CV19 numbers, in the last 48 hours have slammed the 10pm closing rule as it’s killing businesses. At the same time, virologists and public health experts agree with Sturgeon’s new semi-Lockdown, and expect England to follow. In the Republic of Ireland ‘wet pubs’ (not serving food) have been shut for many months, people aren’t allowed to travel between counties unless for a medical need. Roadblocks were checking drivers today.

 

[The Wizard]

Pub/hospitality closures and restrictions are not inevitable, nor should anything else be. This goverment couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery, that’s why they are going for this strategy, because anything else is too complicated, in 6 months time when we still have these restrictions and no vaccine they will 100% wheel out that it’s not their fault and that vaccines aren’t guaranteed, so why can’t they consider it now?


Remember when they told us 3 weeks to save the NHS, it’s nearly 7 months later and now it’s essentially in and out of lock down until there is a vaccine, even though we have clear evidence that long term lockdowns do not work

Sure, they suppress the number of cases of COVID and thus will inevitably mean less COVID deaths, but at the cost of:

1000 excess deaths at home every week
Millions of previously thriving businesses
Hundreds of thousands of jobs
Mental Health of millions
250k less possible cancer referrals than this time last year.

People can kid themselves all they want that this is what Headcock says ‘supress until there is a vaccine’ but the true cost of what’s happening is untold misery to millions for years to come, even once this poxy shitstain of a virus is eradicated.

For a virus that has a 0.12% death rate, estimated by WHO today. How don’t people see it? They ONLY care about COVID deaths and cases now, why are the same people who are talking about 100 deaths a day from COVID being a worse case scenario, not bothered about the fact MORE than this number are currently being abandoned to die in their own home?

 

[Albion Dan]

For a virus that has a 0.12% death rate, estimated by WHO today. How don’t people see it? They ONLY care about COVID deaths and cases now, why are the same people who are talking about 100 deaths a day from COVID being a worse case scenario, not bothered about the fact MORE than this number are currently being abandoned to die in their own home?

A growing number are fortunately wising up.

This is clearly about control more than the virus. They are now destroying every element of what holds society as we know it together for the long term with the economical damage and rules that have no scientific basis. Telling artists and musicians that they should do something different for a job now is the start and a clear indicator of where we’re going. Huge swathes of small business are literally on their knees and won’t recover. Like our friend Theresa May said once, there is no magic money tree, yet for some reason most people seem to think there is now. I don’t know if it is 0.12% death rate, I saw 0.66% ( https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1327 ) but even that is ridiculously low for the life changing misery being faced for years to come for everyone except the super rich. I’m not advocating letting anyone die but a fraction of the cost of this thing could have more than easily save guarded all those vulnerable.

People won’t see what’s really happening until it’s too late and everyone is on a universal credit digital currency that you probably won’t be allowed access too unless you’ve had your vaccine like a good boy.

I know most will just dismiss this off because it’s Gareth Icke but the truth hurts and this is powerful stuff.

https://youtu.be/-jt6Mqz5yeY

 

[e77]

So the pair of you have outlined what you disagree with. What are your plans?

 

[e77]

A growing number are fortunately wising up.

This is clearly about control more than the virus. They are now destroying every element of what holds society as we know it together for the long term with the economical damage and rules that have no scientific basis. Telling artists and musicians that they should do something different for a job now is the start and a clear indicator of where we’re going. Huge swathes of small business are literally on their knees and won’t recover. Like our friend Theresa May said once, there is no magic money tree, yet for some reason most people seem to think there is now. I don’t know if it is 0.12% death rate, I saw 0.66% ( https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1327 ) but even that is ridiculously low for the life changing misery being faced for years to come for everyone except the super rich. I’m not advocating letting anyone die but a fraction of the cost of this thing could have more than easily save guarded all those vulnerable.

People won’t see what’s really happening until it’s too late and everyone is on a universal credit digital currency that you probably won’t be allowed access too unless you’ve had your vaccine like a good boy.

I know most will just dismiss this off because it’s Gareth Icke but the truth hurts and this is powerful stuff.

https://youtu.be/-jt6Mqz5yeY

Absolute drivel.

Do you really think Johnson, Sturgeon, etc. really want to be going down this road at is is likely to finish their political careers?