Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[e77]

Pub/hospitality closures and restrictions are not inevitable, nor should anything else be. This goverment couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery, that’s why they are going for this strategy, because anything else is too complicated, in 6 months time when we still have these restrictions and no vaccine they will 100% wheel out that it’s not their fault and that vaccines aren’t guaranteed, so why can’t they consider it now?


Remember when they told us 3 weeks to save the NHS, it’s nearly 7 months later and now it’s essentially in and out of lock down until there is a vaccine, even though we have clear evidence that long term lockdowns do not work

Sure, they suppress the number of cases of COVID and thus will inevitably mean less COVID deaths, but at the cost of:

1000 excess deaths at home every week
Millions of previously thriving businesses
Hundreds of thousands of jobs
Mental Health of millions
250k less possible cancer referrals than this time last year.

People can kid themselves all they want that this is what Headcock says ‘supress until there is a vaccine’ but the true cost of what’s happening is untold misery to millions for years to come, even once this poxy shitstain of a virus is eradicated.

For a virus that has a 0.12% death rate, estimated by WHO today. How don’t people see it? They ONLY care about COVID deaths and cases now, why are the same people who are talking about 100 deaths a day from COVID being a worse case scenario, not bothered about the fact MORE than this number are currently being abandoned to die in their own home?

Without wishing to repeat myself, the virus spreads with face to face contact. Reducing face to face contact slows the spread of the virus.

The NHS is currently not under pressure (well anymore than it is normally following cutbacks) so anyone not receiving treatment should be shouting to the roofs.

 

[Albion Dan]

Absolute drivel.

Do you really think Johnson, Sturgeon, etc. really want to be going down this road at is is likely to finish their political careers?

Johnson was never planned to be in the main seat for long anyway in my opinion and I don’t think he even wants to be PM.

FOUR THOUSAND scientists sign petition against lock down restrictions.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/experts-say-life-should-return-19062443

 

[beorhthelm]

... I don’t know if it is 0.12% death rate, I saw 0.66% ( https://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1327 ) but even that is ridiculously low for the life changing misery being faced for years to come for everyone except the super rich. I’m not advocating letting anyone die but a fraction of the cost of this thing could have more than easily save guarded all those vulnerable.

7.8% in people aged over 80, according to your source, and 20% admitted to hospital. that's with current restrictions. to put hard numbers, thats 250k dead and 640k hospitalised. and then another million or so over 65s. and to labour the point, 700k admissions from the 30-50yo group, 1.2m from the 50-65 groups not isolating.

but its good to see the truth is coming out, its all orchestrated across the world, to control population and bring in new economic and world order.

 

[Weststander]

So the pair of you have outlined what you disagree with. What are your plans?

Every over 65, or obese, with diabetes or respiratory ailments to self isolate for as long as it takes, unable to see relatives except at a distance.

Everyone else can booze, socialise, go to packed stadia, gigs, club, visit the cinema or travel wherever they want to in the world. Most importantly, masks are deemed a complete waste of space.

The economy will boom, recently formed NHS queues will disappear, mental health issues will become what they were, Gatwick and Heathrow will thrive, the sky will be full of vapour trails once more.

The dividend .... CV19 sceptics guarantee that covid cases, hospitalisations and deaths will fall.

 

[e77]

Johnson was never planned to be in the main seat for long anyway in my opinion and I don’t think he even wants to be PM.

FOUR THOUSAND scientists sign petition against lock down restrictions.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/experts-say-life-should-return-19062443

So he fought for the leadership of the Conservative party and a General Election for a job he doesn't want?

Just protecting the elderly and vulnerable sounds great on paper In reality it means placing them in isolation for the next few months so the burden is lifted off the rest of society.

I am against another full lockdown but that hasn't been thought through.

 

[e77]

Every over 65, or obese, with diabetes or respiratory ailments to self isolate for as long as it takes, unable to see relatives except at a distance.

Everyone else can booze, socialise, go to packed stadia, gigs, club, visit the cinema or travel wherever they want to in the world. Most importantly, masks are deemed a complete waste of space.

The economy will boom, recently formed NHS queues will disappear, mental health issues will become what they were, Gatwick and Heathrow will thrive, the sky will be full of vapour trails once more.

The dividend .... CV19 sceptics guarantee that covid cases, hospitalisations and deaths will fall.

Splendid. If you let the elderly, diabetic, asthmatics, etc. know I will be off to a nightclub.

 

[Albion Dan]

7.8% in people aged over 80, according to your source, and 20% admitted to hospital. that's with current restrictions.

good to see the truth is coming out, its all orchestrated across the world, to control population and bring in new economic and world order.

And like I said if we had protected the vunerable and care homes instead of sending live cases to them, and not imposed non resuscitation orders on those people the numbers would look very very different.


You honestly don’t think a new economic order is on the cards? Despite the world economic forum clearly saying that’s what they want? Despite every country in the world (and their citizens) being steered to bankruptcy? Some people can’t see what’s right before their eyes.


https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

 

[beorhthelm]

And like I said if we had protected the vunerable and care homes instead of sending live cases to them, and not imposed non resuscitation orders on those people the numbers would look very very different.


You honestly don’t think a new economic order is on the cards? Despite the world economic forum clearly saying that’s what they want? Despite every country in the world (and their citizens) being steered to bankruptcy? Some people can’t see what’s right before their eyes.


https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

you're right of course, rather than bring about some economic domination through say a banking collapse, they engineered a virus instead. so that those in power can fulfill some lose ideas about stakeholder capitalism, more regulation and wealth taxes.

 

[Albion Dan]

you're right of course, rather than bring about some economic domination through say a banking collapse, they engineered a virus instead. so that those in power can fulfill some lose ideas about stakeholder capitalism, more regulation and wealth taxes.

Oh don’t worry. There are going to be some banking collapses to look forward to.

 

[Albion Dan]

https://youtu.be/a0C-_G_UaR4

 

[sydney]

yet footballers can fly all over europe for friendlies .......utter bollox

 

[Albion Dan]

you're right of course, rather than bring about some economic domination through say a banking collapse, they engineered a virus instead. so that those in power can fulfill some lose ideas about stakeholder capitalism, more regulation and wealth taxes.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/502795-bor...T8CXIZatp-BE3M231ccN7Yp_IapPABlpM_kMDNZpacevc

 

[darkwolf666]

So the pair of you have outlined what you disagree with. What are your plans?

And, as I have asked both before, would they be happy for one of their loved ones to die “for the greater good...”

Strangely they never answer!

 

[darkwolf666]

you're right of course, rather than bring about some economic domination through say a banking collapse, they engineered a virus instead. so that those in power can fulfill some lose ideas about stakeholder capitalism, more regulation and wealth taxes.

You’re clearly forgetting, they’re all lizards, cold blooded creatures who don’t care about human civilisation.

 

[beorhthelm]

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/502795-bor...T8CXIZatp-BE3M231ccN7Yp_IapPABlpM_kMDNZpacevc

apply Betteridge's law. just because the wafflemeister uses a phrase, doesnt mean he means the same thing you want it to mean.

 

[Albion Dan]

And, as I have asked both before, would they be happy for one of their loved ones to die “for the greater good...”

Strangely they never answer!

My father is 78 and vulnerable. He has had enough and is now taking his chances and living some quality of life rather than hiding away terrified. Of course I don’t want him to die but surely it is better to face the threat (that we all do with many things every day anyway) living a life rather than a life of abject misery in a dystopian style society?

Like I’ve said many times if we’d spent a fraction of the cost of covid protecting those that want it we’d be in a very different place.

 

[Albion Dan]

apply Betteridge's law. just because the wafflemeister uses a phrase, doesnt mean he means the same thing you want it to mean.

I don’t “want” it to mean anything like what is being expressed. I didn’t write the article. I sincerely hope it’s not true but the red flags are mounting at an alarming rate.

 

[darkwolf666]

My father is 78 and vulnerable. He has had enough and is now taking his chances and living some quality of life rather than hiding away terrified. Of course I don’t want him to die but surely it is better to face the threat (that we all do with many things every day anyway) living a life rather than a life of abject misery in a dystopian society?

So your Dad, at what could be considered a reasonable age is prepared to “take his chances”.

My Dad has recently celebrated his 90th birthday and has the same mind set - maybe it’s an age thing, the fact they have done a lot of living or in my Dads case, recently lost his wife of over 65 years, so feels a bit lost anyway.

However, my wife is 59 and due to Non Hodgkin Lymphoma is extremely vulnerable, she has got through 6 months of chemotherapy and has another 2 years of follow up chemo to give her a better long term prognosis. She gets so angry when she sees people moaning about having a bit of Liberty taken away for short periods, or people who won’t wear masks as it infringes their human right. “What about my human rights” she says...

She shakes her head in disbelief, when she sees people crammed into irresponsible pubs and street venues, in clear contravention of social distancing guidelines. She was incredulous that people had the gall to moan when they had to cut short their foreign holidays and fly home to beat the quarantine / self isolation rules. “What idiot would fly away, to sit on a beach, in the middle of a pandemic”, she asked me. She was then even more angry when she learnt that less than 20% of people were willing and able follow the self isolation rules.

I know the response from you, Wizard and others has been “protect the vulnerable” - but how? How do you protect vulnerable households, as it’s not just the vulnerable person themselves that would need help, but all that live in the home with the vulnerable...

In my case we have managed to defer our little one starting school by a year as we didn’t think it safe for him to start at his Special Needs School, in the middle of a pandemic. The Local Authority have been very understanding, let’s see what their stance is next September, if things haven’t changed.

My grand daughter, who lives with us has recently turned 18, and should be going out to look for work, unfortunately she has learning difficulties and ADD, she has no clue of social distancing and poor personal hygiene, on the couple of occasions we have been to our GP she has had to be reminded to sanitise her hands, as it’s just not on her radar. Fortunately, other those necessary outings she is happy to stay indoors with Nanny and Granddad, playing games!

Clearly she is vulnerable, to herself and even more so to those she may come into contact with... who will protect her?

Protect the vulnerable is such a glib, trite phrase, with little or no meaning, used by the very politicians you so clearly despise - so I would be very interested in your version of it, and how YOU would protect the vulnerable.

 

[Albion Dan]

I’m really sorry to hear about your wife and your challenges. Do you really think it correct though that the very fabric of the society we have known be completely destroyed for the very few vunerable? What sort of world and future do you want your children to grow up in?

 

[darkwolf666]

I’m really sorry to hear about your wife and your challenges. Do you really think it correct though that the very fabric of the society we have known be completely destroyed for the very few vunerable? What sort of world and future do you want your children to grow up in?

I appreciate your kind words regards our situation, but have to take you to task on your "very few vulnerable" comment.

Over 2 million people were deemed to be very vulnerable and were asked to shield. Those people and their vulnerabilities haven't gone away (actually some have, as they have died). By a quick guesstimation I make that around 3% of the UK population that you are dismissing as a "few"...

Also, despite my polite request you have once again failed to explain "protect the vulnerable". If you don't know the answer or how to do it, stop using the phrase.