Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[PILTDOWN MAN]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...own-exit-strategy-revealed-this-week-11973322

Thought for a minute the new leader may just be better than the last but alas he has just come out with this rubbish.

Does he not understand that the too many people are thick and have to treated as such. The government had to bring in laws as advice was not enough to stop these thick idiots from socialising. Even then there's still reports of gatherings. Give them an exit strategy and there'll be a stampede for the front door. This is before we have even reached a peak in this country. There is no timeline currently and that should remain so until ready. Only then should the people know exactly the detail.

Simple example of how the thick react is when they go on their holiday on an aircraft, even though they are told to remain in their seats on landing, the moment the wheels touch the ground, up they get overhead racks opened barging and pushing believing it will get them to their destination quicker. I'd love the captain, when taxing to stand, to slam on the brakes just to see the carnage of tracksuit wearing blobs falling everywhere.

 

[Southern Scouse]

I went into work and forgot my uniform this morning. I’m doing 72 hours a week and apparently we haven’t hit the plateau and we have it all to come. Plus standards the lay were introduced at the Earl stages are being ignored and watered down. I have no time to go shopping so I eat rubbish most days.
A group of six ppl waved at me today as they were on a street corner in the sunshine having a chat.
All my colleagues are so hyped up you wonder just how long we will keep it together but it’s fine as we have a help line to call.
I wish I was in lockdown for a few weeks.

 

[BBassic]

I went into work and forgot my uniform this morning. I’m doing 72 hours a week and apparently we haven’t hit the plateau and we have it all to come. Plus standards the lay were introduced at the Earl stages are being ignored and watered down. I have no time to go shopping so I eat rubbish most days.
A group of six ppl waved at me today as they were on a street corner in the sunshine having a chat.
All my colleagues are so hyped up you wonder just how long we will keep it together but it’s fine as we have a help line to call.
I wish I was in lockdown for a few weeks.

Sorry if you've already answered elsewhere, and if you don't mind me asking, but what do you do?

 

[The Wizard]

London Nightingale hospital only treating 19 patients out of a 4000 capacity.

I still think these hospitals are being prepared for the government so they can take the risk of getting some of the economy up and running as soon as possible without the risk of overwhelming the NHS, they have bought the NHS time to be able to build these hospitals to cope with that. Although of course I will admit, it could just be a case of it’s better to have and not need than too not have at all.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

French study finds hydroxychloroquine doesn’t help patients with coronavirus

A drug that’s been touted by President Trump as a “game changer” didn’t help hospitalized patients with coronavirus, and was associated with heart complications, according to a new study.

“This provides evidence that hydroxychloroquine does not apparently treat patients with Covid-19,” said Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease specialist at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “Even worse, there were side effects caused by the drug – heart toxicities that required it be discontinued.”

The study was published Tuesday on a pre-print server and was not peer reviewed.

In the study, among the 84 patients who took hydroxychloroquine, 20.2% were admitted to the ICU or died within seven days of inclusion. Among the 97 patients who did not take the drug, 22.1% went to the ICU or died.

The difference was determined to not be statistically significant.

Looking just at deaths, 2.8% of the patients who took hydroxychloroquine died, and 4.6% of the patients who did not take it died. That difference was also found to not be statistically significant.

I was sent a Brazilian study (if you'll pardon the expression) yesterday that reported no benefit and 'trial stopped due to cardiotoxicity' (a lethal arrhythmia called torsades de pointes, the same arrhythmia that got terfenadine, the hay fever drug, pulled more than 20 years ago, and the same finding by the looks of it as in the French study)..

The risk of torsades de pointes with this drug was well known. It is a programme killer if any new drug is found to have any such risk. In fact the whole of industry Safety Pharmacology came about because of rare but lethal adverse drug effects (like torsades de pointes).

The actual idea of considering a known torsadogenic drug as a treatment for Covid is a measure of the madness gripping people (and the opportunistic hubris of people who know nothing but can smell the possibility of an easy dollar).

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I am a subscriber to the idea that the virus is random but a great opportunity for the elite to inject us with whatever the **** they feel like.

But I think you already know that I have a significantly lower trust in the global oligarcy than most. And yes I know its a unacceptable standpoint but what can I say... I have a problem with authorities.

There is a risk that decisions may be taken politically to allow the trialling of unjustified drugs that are bound to not work, or like the recent drug trialled, have servious adversity.

Likewise, public pressure in the US forced the FDA to trial laetrile for cancer when celebs like Steve McQueen advocated hit (McQueen went, I thin, to Mexico to get his laetrile, and later died....from cancer). From Wilipedia "Since the early 1950s, both amygdalin and a modified form named laetrile have been promoted as alternative cancer treatments, often under the misnomer vitamin B17 (neither amygdalin nor laetrile is a vitamin).[2] Scientific study has found them to be clinically ineffective in treating cancer, as well as potentially toxic or lethal when taken by mouth due to cyanide poisoning.[3] The promotion of laetrile to treat cancer has been described in the medical literature as a canonical example of quackery,[4][5] and as "the slickest, most sophisticated, and certainly the most remunerative cancer quack promotion in medical history".[2]"

However, your take on the power of the 'elite' is somewhat misguided. The problem today is that it is incredibly difficult normally to get permission to conduct a clinical trial. We have a trial of serotherapy in Wales that makes absolute sense to me (as long as the blod is screened for Hep C and HIV properly and not rushed into service) but the Trump Drug trial was total bollocks (sycophantic in my view).

Nobody sticks drugs in people whilly nilly because if you do that you are guaranteed to get no benefit at the risk of adversity and end up in jail.

 

[Swansman]

Finland have been very successful in battling the virus by blocking movement to and from Helsinki but now they need to open up again as their constitution make it illegal to block movement within Finland. I hope the Finns are wise though and keep all travel at a minimum.

 

[Swansman]

However, your take on the power of the 'elite' is somewhat misguided. The problem today is that it is incredibly difficult normally to get permission to conduct a clinical trial. We have a trial of serotherapy in Wales that makes absolute sense to me (as long as the blod is screened for Hep C and HIV properly and not rushed into service) but the Trump Drug trial was total bollocks (sycophantic in my view).

Nobody sticks drugs in people whilly nilly because if you do that you are guaranteed to get no benefit at the risk of adversity and end up in jail.

I dont think my take on the power of the elite is misguided. In example, I'm fairly certain the top dogs can do exactly whatever they want without risking jail. Their freemason buddies in the justice system would make sure, and there would be no thing like the David Duckenfield second trial where they were banned.

Sorry, I dont believe in the system or the oligarchy or the "equal to the law" myth. I never will. Tin foil until I die. But I shouldnt have brought it up, I'm going to make another attempt at staying quiet with my out of the box perspectives.

 

[Bakero]

I dont think my take on the power of the elite is misguided. In example, I'm fairly certain the top dogs can do exactly whatever they want without risking jail. Their freemason buddies in the justice system would make sure, and there would be no thing like the David Duckenfield second trial where they were banned.

Sorry, I dont believe in the system or the oligarchy or the "equal to the law" myth. I never will. Tin foil until I die. But I shouldnt have brought it up, I'm going to make another attempt at staying quiet with my out of the box perspectives.

Not really out of the box. You've just chosen a different box.

 

[beorhthelm]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...own-exit-strategy-revealed-this-week-11973322

Thought for a minute the new leader may just be better than the last but alas he has just come out with this rubbish.

Does he not understand that the too many people are thick and have to treated as such. The government had to bring in laws as advice was not enough to stop these thick idiots from socialising. Even then there's still reports of gatherings. Give them an exit strategy and there'll be a stampede for the front door. This is before we have even reached a peak in this country. There is no timeline currently and that should remain so until ready. Only then should the people know exactly the detail.

Simple example of how the thick react is when they go on their holiday on an aircraft, even though they are told to remain in their seats on landing, the moment the wheels touch the ground, up they get overhead racks opened barging and pushing believing it will get them to their destination quicker. I'd love the captain, when taxing to stand, to slam on the brakes just to see the carnage of tracksuit wearing blobs falling everywhere.

yes, we're not being given exit strategy for good reason. and great analogy there.

 

[beorhthelm]

London Nightingale hospital only treating 19 patients out of a 4000 capacity.

I still think these hospitals are being prepared for the government so they can take the risk of getting some of the economy up and running as soon as possible without the risk of overwhelming the NHS, they have bought the NHS time to be able to build these hospitals to cope with that. Although of course I will admit, it could just be a case of it’s better to have and not need than too not have at all.

they'll probably need to bring attention back to normal healthcare too, before we start having a general crisis as various conditions arent being treated.

 

[Swansman]

Not really out of the box. You've just chosen a different box.

True. Its an interesting box though, you should come visit us sometime, if you can climb out of yours.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Did anyone else see the shocking report on C4 News last night highlighting a memo which revealed that, in an effort to free up NHS beds, some recovering coronavirus patients (whether they stilltest positive or not) are being released into the care of care homes. The memo was quoted as glibly stating that as long as health guidelines were followed there was no risk of wider infection. Except the guidelines quote the use of PPE and social distancing. Which blithely ignores that PPE is currently reported as being solely lacking in care homes, and social distancing can't easily be practiced in such a setting. The report went on to say that care homes are now in open revolt against this hmgov policy and many are quite rightly now refusing to admit recovering NHS coronavirus patients. Hopefully C4 will press home the recklessness of this existing policy at today's briefing

 

[dazzer6666]

London Nightingale hospital only treating 19 patients out of a 4000 capacity.

I still think these hospitals are being prepared for the government so they can take the risk of getting some of the economy up and running as soon as possible without the risk of overwhelming the NHS, they have bought the NHS time to be able to build these hospitals to cope with that. Although of course I will admit, it could just be a case of it’s better to have and not need than too not have at all.

They had to do something as some of the modelling predicted far, far more admission/ITU cases than we're seeing - despite reports of moronic behaviour, social distancing has been very largely observed so the infection rate hasn't approached anything like the worst of the predictions, so the Nightingales are ultimately unlikely to be needed in the main (I also read the the one in Birmingham has already been stood down). Regardless of views on overall government strategy/performance, it does appear that overwhelming the NHS has at least been avoided (through distancing, discharging of existing patients to create capacity etc and the unbelievable work of those on the front line). Anecdotally at least it seems there is a still a fair amount of capacity in the NHS

 

[Bakero]

True. Its an interesting box though, you should come visit us sometime, if you can climb out of yours.

I've visited many boxes, mate. I'm pro box-choice.

 

[SK1NT]

London Nightingale hospital only treating 19 patients out of a 4000 capacity.

I still think these hospitals are being prepared for the government so they can take the risk of getting some of the economy up and running as soon as possible without the risk of overwhelming the NHS, they have bought the NHS time to be able to build these hospitals to cope with that. Although of course I will admit, it could just be a case of it’s better to have and not need than too not have at all.

19 out of 4000 capacity... this is good news. Nice to see the government planning ahead of the game.

 

[The Wizard]

Judging by previous weeks, I’m imagining and dreading the potentially high death toll today, as it’s the first day outside of weekends/bank holiday death recording.

 

[dazzer6666]

Judging by previous weeks, I’m imagining and dreading the potentially high death toll today, as it’s the first day outside of weekends/bank holiday death recording.

Me too...sadly expecting v high numbers today and tomorrow. Need to look through the death count (difficult as it is) to the numbers of infected though as that will plateau first................

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

I am starting to get a trifle peeved that our glorious government are only reacting after either the body involved ie care home association, the media or opposition politicians are pointing it out, but by then it's too late as front line workers and patients are infected or have died.
And when a minister directly involved is questioned on basic knowledge they have no clue and just say they are ramping it up or they are working extremely hard.
After cutting the NHS and refusing a pay rise of no more than 1%, the disgusting Theresa May saying there is no magic money tree before doshing out to the DUP and yet they are falling over themselves with gratitude and appreciation for NHS workers, even saving the life of chief clown Johnson.
Jumping the queue for testing when NHS staff and carers can't get tested, and although we had plenty of notice and a clothes manufacturing industry, PPE is still not available to everyone that needs it.
I hope that that this inept and clueless Government are never allowed to be in a position to balls things up again as they have done for over 10 years and counting.

 

[JJ McClure]

Did anyone else see the shocking report on C4 News last night highlighting a memo which revealed that, in an effort to free up NHS beds, some recovering coronavirus patients (whether they stilltest positive or not) are being released into the care of care homes. The memo was quoted as glibly stating that as long as health guidelines were followed there was no risk of wider infection. Except the guidelines quote the use of PPE and social distancing. Which blithely ignores that PPE is currently reported as being solely lacking in care homes, and social distancing can't easily be practiced in such a setting. The report went on to say that care homes are now in open revolt against this hmgov policy and many are quite rightly now refusing to admit recovering NHS coronavirus patients. Hopefully C4 will press home the recklessness of this existing policy at today's briefing

Sorry, you lost me at C4 News.