Main Coronavirus / Covid-19 Discussion Thread

[Green Cross Code Man]

ONS stats from last week show only 30 people under 40 with no ‘diagnosed’ underlying issue have died.

I agree with your post, however, that stat is of little comfort for those of us on the other side of 40!

 

[The Wizard]

I agree with your post, however, that stat is of little comfort for those of us on the other side of 40!

I understand that, the stat for 40-59 is 207, which when you look at it contextually speaking shows you an extremely high percentage of people fight it off many even without any symptoms, probably depends a lot how much people between those ages look after themselves as theres a very wide range of health and general wellbeing between those ages.

I totally understand people being scared if they are in vulnerable groups but weirdly it seems to me like these people are the least scared of the virus, I’ve noticed from my social media feeds older people seem to just want to live their lives and it seems younger people are feeling very afraid of it.

I fear after all is said and done significantly more people between 18-60 will die from cancer not being diagnosed than of COVID. It’s a real possibility.

 

[loz]

I agree with your post, however, that stat is of little comfort for those of us on the other side of 40!

If your in good health you should be OK, but might pass it to a loved one.

As Britain edges back to work and employees consider the risks of moving beyond lockdown, official figures underscore that working-age Britons are 34 times less likely to die of coronavirus than over-65s.

About 12% of all deaths relating to Covid-19 have occurred among those under 65 – a total of 4,066 deaths. Most victims have been in the over-65 category, accounting for 30,978 fatalities.

There have been 8.4 deaths per 100,000 people among the under-65 category, which rises to 286 deaths per 100,000 in the over-65 group, meaning pensioners are 34 times more likely to die of the illness.

The contrast is even starker in data concerning those under 45. According to the Office for National Statistics figure, there have been just 401 deaths in this age group – one death for every 100,000 people, or around 1% of the overall death toll.

However, age is just one of the factors that will affect a person’s vulnerability to the virus. Research has shown that ethnicity, deprivation, pre-existing health conditions and occupation also contribute to an individual’s risk of dying.

 

[ManOfSussex]

That sounds fishy as no-one has been sending kids to school unless they are disadvantaged or kids of key workers. This kind of situation (depending on Unions etc) will only exist from June 1st at earliest. Boris said the other day that having to care for a child was a reason not to go to work.

My brother is a teacher too. A problem is brewing he says in that some staff are not wanting to come back in and they'll be furloughed if that's the case. He fears the very real possibility of a 'them and us' situation in regards to his colleagues on the horizon.

 

[Billy the Fish]

I think there needs to be a serious and transparent conversation about what we're trying to achieve.

The initial plan was to flatten the curve and stop the NHS getting overwhelmed. I think in some people's mind that has morphed into stop transmission at any cost until there's a vaccine.

That doesn't seem viable to me. Sooner or later we're going to have to risk people in the low risk groups getting it and building up immunity.
Government have to be honest about the accepted risk otherwise everyone will get their knickers in a twist.

Quoted myself from the c**t list thread as this is a better place for it.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Until the antibody test is rolled out so anyone can get it done, we should be in no rush to end lockdown.

The youngest children going back to school on June 1st will be the next almighty blunder in this poorly handled crisis.

 

[The Wizard]

Quoted myself from the c**t list thread as this is a better place for it.

Agree with this^ The only real way of us defeating this without a vaccine or drug treatment is the healthy populations going to work and becoming immune.

In London the R is the lowest in the country at around 0.4, scientists think circa 20% of people may have already had it and so this is lowering the transmission rate significantly, I don’t advocate full herd immunity because it’s reckless but getting a younger age bracket % immune to the virus will protect older people, providing testing is adequate and people aren’t transmitting it to older people(social distancing), if there is no vaccine we can’t lock everyone up for years.

 

[BLOCK F]

Woman on the radio this morning was told to send her kid back to school due to loosening of rules, and told to go back to work (where she comes into contact with people in high risk groups). Her daughter has noe been sent home again because there is a case of Covid in the school. Mum called 101 for advice and was told she had to stay at work. Expert on radio said this is not current government advice, and that she should phone 101 again and demand a test. He then said it would probably be some time before she got a test. So she has to bring someone in to look after her kid (who may well have Covid) and meanwhile go to work where she may well spread Covid to vulnerable people. Correct me if I'm wrong but....we don't seem to know what we're doing.

Who told this woman to send her child back to school due to loosening of rules?
All sounds very odd to me and not quite kosher.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Who told this woman to send her child back to school due to loosening of rules?
All sounds very odd to me and not quite kosher.

Maybe she got an email from the school ?

We got one.

It didn't mention any sanction for failing to obey though, but was clear that school starts on June 1st ( virus developments permitting ).

 

[Birdie Boy]

Maybe she got an email from the school ?

We got one.

It didn't mention any sanction for failing to obey though, but was clear that school starts on June 1st ( virus developments permitting ).

As far as I'm aware, it's not June 1st yet...

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[WilburySeagull]

That sounds fishy as no-one has been sending kids to school unless they are disadvantaged or kids of key workers. This kind of situation (depending on Unions etc) will only exist from June 1st at earliest. Boris said the other day that having to care for a child was a reason not to go to work.

Entirely suspect. I assume "101" is meant to be "111" ie nhs direct who have no role in telling parents to send children to school. June 1 is the earliest date for return of reception, year 1 and year 6 only. I doubt any school is able to tell children they must return on 1 June as no date is confirmed and in anycase the guidance clearlly says no parent will be fined for not sending them at this stage nor will schools be penalised for poor attendance.

 

[sydney]

What is it about this particular thread that says 'come on here to post all your conspiracy theories' to every looney in a 5 mile radius ?

I thought that once Jeff Minton's Corners/Megazone/The Truth/Brunswick/Rosa got given his/her/their own thread for this sort of bollocks it may stop on unrelated threads

Maybe we should have a thread dedicated to general conspiracy theories, I'm off to get dinner

must be hard breathing with your head so far up your arse....

 

[RossyG]

Who told this woman to send her child back to school due to loosening of rules?
All sounds very odd to me and not quite kosher.

Yes, that sounds like someone lying to make a political swipe.

 

[Napper]

What a cheery thread, Jesus. There’s no evidence a wave 2 even exists, even Spanish flu which had a second wave, the second wave was after months not a few weeks after the main wave and this was without any kind of measures or lockdown. As long as vulnerable people are being shielded why is there such a climate of fear? ONS stats from last week show only 30 people under 40 with no ‘diagnosed’ underlying issue have died.

There has been no big rise or second wave in any country yet.

cant say that mate , doesnt fit with the fear .

I'm sure everytime we go out we see the mountains of bodies on the streets.

 

[sydney]

its all bollox....sooner you get that into yer head the better the rest of your life will be.

 

[Albion Dan]

What a cheery thread, Jesus. There’s no evidence a wave 2 even exists, even Spanish flu which had a second wave, the second wave was after months not a few weeks after the main wave and this was without any kind of measures or lockdown. As long as vulnerable people are being shielded why is there such a climate of fear? ONS stats from last week show only 30 people under 40 with no ‘diagnosed’ underlying issue have died.

There has been no big rise or second wave in any country yet.

Good post. We are now completely paralysed by fear porn from every angle. It's how the media are fighting for our engagement (and their revenue!) and mean however the government try and steer us out of this they are going to get huge resistance from people who think we are all going to die. I saw a Swedish scientist on a Russel Brand youtube post deriding the Ozzie and Kiwi approach to this asking how the hell they are ever going to maneuver out of their current scenario and that they are essentially stuck now waiting for a cure that will never come.

 

[sydney]

Good post. We are now completely paralysed by fear porn from every angle. It's how the media are fighting for our engagement (and their revenue!) and mean however the government try and steer us out of this they are going to get huge resistance from people who think we are all going to die. I saw a Swedish scientist on a Russel Brand youtube post deriding the Ozzie and Kiwi approach to this asking how the hell they are ever going to maneuver out of their current scenario and that they are essentially stuck now waiting for a cure that will never come.

not bloody likely mate ... I would say that 20% of the population don't buy this bullshit , NZ have just changed their constitution so that police can enter houses to remove people without a warrant if they think that there may be a risk of harm ........this shit is going to get real mate , plenty of people with guns in the community..( I haven't got one ) ...Australias government is overtly corrupt , it has sold out to China & America....we have around 40% foreign ownership of land and property 22% US 18 % China ,US ownership is on a massive surge , a ridiculous situation and the public are slowly waking up ......this is all about control , exercising and practicing control of the community,.....in my opinion anyway ....wait and see where we end up in 6 months , won't be pretty unless we push back.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Good post. We are now completely paralysed by fear porn from every angle. It's how the media are fighting for our engagement (and their revenue!) and mean however the government try and steer us out of this they are going to get huge resistance from people who think we are all going to die. I saw a Swedish scientist on a Russel Brand youtube post deriding the Ozzie and Kiwi approach to this asking how the hell they are ever going to maneuver out of their current scenario and that they are essentially stuck now waiting for a cure that will never come.

The first part of your post perhaps has a point. But the last is simply stupid. How can anyone know whether there will be a cure for covid 19 or not? It is not unlikely that there will be a vaccine and an effective treatment.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

If your in good health you should be OK, but might pass it to a loved one.

As Britain edges back to work and employees consider the risks of moving beyond lockdown, official figures underscore that working-age Britons are 34 times less likely to die of coronavirus than over-65s.

About 12% of all deaths relating to Covid-19 have occurred among those under 65 – a total of 4,066 deaths. Most victims have been in the over-65 category, accounting for 30,978 fatalities.

There have been 8.4 deaths per 100,000 people among the under-65 category, which rises to 286 deaths per 100,000 in the over-65 group, meaning pensioners are 34 times more likely to die of the illness.

The contrast is even starker in data concerning those under 45. According to the Office for National Statistics figure, there have been just 401 deaths in this age group – one death for every 100,000 people, or around 1% of the overall death toll.

However, age is just one of the factors that will affect a person’s vulnerability to the virus. Research has shown that ethnicity, deprivation, pre-existing health conditions and occupation also contribute to an individual’s risk of dying.

Agreed.

However something is odd in the maths you quote.

'working-age Britons are 34 times less likely to die of coronavirus than over-65s.

About 12% of all deaths relating to Covid-19 have occurred among those under 65 – a total of 4,066 deaths. Most victims have been in the over-65 category, accounting for 30,978 fatalities.'


If 12% of all deaths from Covid in the UK have been under 65's then that is a rate that is little more than 8 times less likely to die from it.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That sounds fishy as no-one has been sending kids to school unless they are disadvantaged or kids of key workers. This kind of situation (depending on Unions etc) will only exist from June 1st at earliest. Boris said the other day that having to care for a child was a reason not to go to work.

I appear to have made the mistake of taking on face value a talking head whose chatter went unchallenged by the presenter. Schoolboy error. Probably compounded by confirmation bias after my hearing the reports of the tube being rammed like a Covid incubator. Apologies.