The Spanish
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We need a lot more of this. Good work on this one Clamp. Common sense and humour. We want to be able to look back on this in a few weeks and be able to look ourselves in the eye.
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We need a lot more of this. Good work on this one Clamp. Common sense and humour. We want to be able to look back on this in a few weeks and be able to look ourselves in the eye.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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take a look at the CMO's bio then consider if you want him, with reputation and career on the line, or a list of 220 random people making the decisions.
Tight shorts
Active member
Trying to do an online order to Sainsbury's for my elderly parents, I thought there may be a week wait, but there are NO available time slots for 3 weeks. So I decided to call to see if they had stopped this service altogether or arse holes were just stockpiling. They had me on hold for 10 mins listening to shite adverts and then ended the call, angry, just a tad.
I have cancelled my next two online shops booked with Tesco after hubby quite rightly pointed out I was being selfish as I am neither old nor vulnerable so supermarket shopping for me now to free up for those in greater need.
A lot of people calling you mad just proves they have zero clue what we're in for.
You can smack all the numbers and all the facts in peoples heads over and over and they still dont get it.
I understand its very difficult for people to grasp psychologically that in any realistic scenario deaths, just in the UK, will count to several hundred thousands of people and in many likely scenarios multiple millions.
I get its difficult to grasp, and many have their defense mechanisms of denial working full time right now and the remaining countries not to take sharp measures - UK, Sweden and Finland - needs to do it ASAP. Each day of slack restrictions means hundreds of dead at this point.
yxee
Well-known member
Sorry, why didn't the news make this clear?
It was presented as "overwhelming disagreement" when this first broke...
Mo Gosfield
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- Aug 11, 2010
- 6,347
How worse?
A friend texted me to say that he had read that over a million people in the UK could die from this virus. On a sliding scale from 0 - 100, starting at Base Camp Zero. i.e calmness personified to Mountain Top of extreme panic, where does this sort of projection fit in?
Kosh
'The' Yaztromo
Again in terms of things being put into context - driving to work this morning I came across a huge RTA on the A1 just south of Alnwick, let's just say it wasn't good but loads of people had stopped to help, which was incredible to see. I highly suspect all the people involved were seriously injured if not worse... Yet we all happily jump in our cars everyday without giving much thought to the very real possibility of being badly injured and/or killed in an accident. I could have been involved if I'd set off just a few moments earlier... I'd say right now that possibility is far more likely for me, than I'd care to imagine. This happened to my mum when I was 15, she was very nearly killed and only saved by four heroic off duty police men who saved her life. She has since lived with physical disability as a direct consequence - hence she refuses to panic in the face of this 'plague.' I admire her stoicism much more than she could ever know - a few individuals on here would do well to follow that example, they really would.
This virus is awful, obviously, but spare a thought for all of those dying everyday in this country alone from accident and/or injury.
This thread is so chock full of hysteria, I weep for humanity (as we are today) if something even more deadly rears its head. To put it simply, based on this, I think we'd be utterly ****ed and society would fall apart all too quickly. Sigh.
This virus is awful, obviously, but spare a thought for all of those dying everyday in this country alone from accident and/or injury.
This thread is so chock full of hysteria, I weep for humanity (as we are today) if something even more deadly rears its head. To put it simply, based on this, I think we'd be utterly ****ed and society would fall apart all too quickly. Sigh.
Uncle Spielberg
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We have not always seen eye to eye over the years but I must say The Clamp is doing a great job on this and is becoming a leader amongst NSC
It's not denial. I'm worried about the potential impact. On the whole people are replying to solid at the back due to concern over his mental wellbeing as he only pops on to post the latest statistics or fears relating to mismanagement of this situation.
And this from someone who's been isolating as a precaution having caught it or similar from school
Uncle Spielberg
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He said it was an option
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
You conveniently forgot the World Health Organisation in my post.
Yep, the Voice of Reason on this thread #TeamClamp
- Nov 11, 2009
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You do love answering assumptions you yourself write! Its staying calm in the face of evolving threats and challenges, and taking those very practical steps you mention that keeps myself, 5 colleagues and up to 189 others , whose lives I am legally responsible for out of harm's way.
I didn't make any reference to not agreeing with sensible advice. You did. I believe there is a lot of good and very well reasoned analysis on this thread from many sources, you made the point there wasnt.
Sating facts as they are, versus the level of seriousness and threat is in my professional experience, always better than pretending something is different.
You can always still show empathy if someone is scared, (as you suggested) whilst still acknowleging potential severity and threat.
But where do you personally draw the lines? So one person who maybe scared is worthy of empathy and sound advice/ understanding but another disdain?
I'd suggest this person may have anxiety about the impending situation (though I can't speak on their behalf) and everything they suggest is nothing different to the path that has been followed by many leading nations on the advice of their chief advisors, so hardly crazy.
Bit this was the "tempered response and practical steps" to help on this occasion?
I don't want to get into a spat or show disrespect to you, really, everybody is entitled to their opinion and their response. Not agreeing with me is fine, many won't, that's normal. it's the shifting narrative and inconsistent opinion that, maybe even wrongly, had some suggesting trolling and certainly baffled me.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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because if they made it clear it wouldnt make much of a good news story. the media are more interested in ramping up a story than bringing neutral information. sadly this practice has spread beyond the tabloids. one sentence of suggestion will be relayed as government policy, then when criticism and clarification follows they report of indecision and u-turns, keeping the drama alive and never acknowledging they mis-reported in the first place.
Posted this last night and its worth to mention again:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised
The Guardian:
"The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.
The document, seen by the Guardian, is the first time health chiefs tackling the virus have admitted that they expect it to circulate for another 12 months and lead to huge extra strain on an already overstretched NHS.
It also suggests that health chiefs are braced for as many as 80% of Britons becoming infected with the coronavirus over that time.
Prof Chris Whitty, the government’s chief medical adviser, has previously described that figure as the worst-case scenario and suggested that the real number would turn out to be less than that. However, the briefing makes clear that four in five of the population “are expected” to contract the virus.
The document says that: “As many as 80% of the population are expected to be infected with Covid-19 in the next 12 months, and up to 15% (7.9 million people) may require hospitalisation.”"
Also:
"The document also states that:
The health service cannot cope with the sheer number of people with symptoms who need to be tested because laboratories are “under significant demand pressures”.
From now on only the very seriously ill who are already in hospital and people in care homes and prisons where the coronavirus has been detected will get tested.
Testing services are under such strain that even NHS staff will not be swabbed, despite their key role and the risk of them passing the virus on to patients."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/uk-coronavirus-crisis-to-last-until-spring-2021-and-could-see-79m-hospitalised
The Guardian:
"The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.
The document, seen by the Guardian, is the first time health chiefs tackling the virus have admitted that they expect it to circulate for another 12 months and lead to huge extra strain on an already overstretched NHS.
It also suggests that health chiefs are braced for as many as 80% of Britons becoming infected with the coronavirus over that time.
Prof Chris Whitty, the government’s chief medical adviser, has previously described that figure as the worst-case scenario and suggested that the real number would turn out to be less than that. However, the briefing makes clear that four in five of the population “are expected” to contract the virus.
The document says that: “As many as 80% of the population are expected to be infected with Covid-19 in the next 12 months, and up to 15% (7.9 million people) may require hospitalisation.”"
Also:
"The document also states that:
The health service cannot cope with the sheer number of people with symptoms who need to be tested because laboratories are “under significant demand pressures”.
From now on only the very seriously ill who are already in hospital and people in care homes and prisons where the coronavirus has been detected will get tested.
Testing services are under such strain that even NHS staff will not be swabbed, despite their key role and the risk of them passing the virus on to patients."
He really didn't.
Here is the transcript:
Philip Schofield: Is the delay essentially trying to spread this out so it doesn’t all happen at once and overwhelm the NHS, and that you can actually delay it into perhaps the summer when it’s a little bit quieter and the ordinary flu might have died down a wee bit, is that what you’re doing?
Boris Johnson: Well it’s a very, very important question, and that’s where a lot of the debate has been and one of the theories is, that perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures. I think we need to strike a balance, I think it is very important, we’ve got a fantastic NHS, we will give them all the support that they need, we will make sure that they have all preparations, all the kit that they need for us to get through it. But I think it would be better if we take all the measures that we can now to stop the peak of the disease being as difficult for the NHS as it might be, I think there are things that we may be able to do.
Mr Bridger
Sound of the suburbs
But still had carols playing yeah ?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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government policy is following their general advice.