[Brighton] Levi Colwill *Signed on Season-Long Loan 05/08/2022*

[GT49er]

Promising young player, had a good season in the Championship. £5M please? - or even £10M (which is a lot more than our usual price for selling youngsters who've had a successful season in the Championship!) We might still be interested though.

But "If you want us to sign Cucurella for £52M, then it's £20M to you" might just be the snag that scuppers the deal. Maybe even both deals.

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

I don’t see the benefit of this buy back clause, except to the seller. As I see it, Chelsea would sell him to us for X amount. However, at some point in the future they have the right to demand him back and pay X + Y . Really that is little more than an indefinite loan albeit with a bonus to us in the future.
What about inflation, what will you get for that money in ,say, 5 years time?
Suppose we wanted to sell him for less than the buy back price, can we do so?
It seems to me that if he comes good, Chelsea get him back cheap and if he is poor, we are stuck with him.
I guess the clause is written into his contact with Albion . What if he serves his contract and wants to walk away on a Bosman free?
It does not seem a good deal for either the buying club or the player.

Is that how a buy-back works? I always thought there were an near infinite number of variations. A common one is the simple "if you move him on, we get first bite and/or matching best offer". I don't think there's anyone who would sign a "you can buy him back at any time" clause unless there was an astronomically high value attached to that/

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Given Cucurella is his only client …!

Don't see him increasing his roster any time soon.
Quite the opposite in fact

 

[dwayne]

Promising young player, had a good season in the Championship. £5M please? - or even £10M (which is a lot more than our usual price for selling youngsters who've had a successful season in the Championship!) We might still be interested though.

But "If you want us to sign Cucurella for £52M, then it's £20M to you" might just be the snag that scuppers the deal. Maybe even both deals.

Nah 2 separate deals. We are probably trying to get Levi over the line but if not 52 is surely enough.

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[Uh_huh_him]

I don’t see the benefit of this buy back clause, except to the seller. As I see it, Chelsea would sell him to us for X amount. However, at some point in the future they have the right to demand him back and pay X + Y . Really that is little more than an indefinite loan albeit with a bonus to us in the future.
What about inflation, what will you get for that money in ,say, 5 years time?
Suppose we wanted to sell him for less than the buy back price, can we do so?
It seems to me that if he comes good, Chelsea get him back cheap and if he is poor, we are stuck with him.
I guess the clause is written into his contact with Albion . What if he serves his contract and wants to walk away on a Bosman free?
It does not seem a good deal for either the buying club or the player.

Yeah all of this.

Completely understandable why this would be a deal breaker.
No point in us maximising his potential, if there's a cap.

If you're selling him, then sell him.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Nah 2 separate deals. We are probably trying to get Levi over the line but if not 52 is surely enough.

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I don't think it is.
The only reason we would be delaying is because the final fee we are prepared to accept, is dependant on how flexible they are with Colwill deal.

If we don't agree terms on Colwill can see the Cucu price being higher.

 

[Springal]

Don't see him increasing his roster any time soon.
Quite the opposite in fact

Why ? He’s likely taken his client from Getafe, to Brighton (double wages) to Chelsea (double wages again) in 2 years. If that was my agent and I was playing champions league football, earning 3x more than I was 2 years ago and in with a good shout for Spanish World Cup squad I’d say he’s earnt his fees !

 

[Easy 10]

This deal is all a bit of a Wrangler for Levi then.

#coat

 

[GT49er]

Nah 2 separate deals. We are probably trying to get Levi over the line but if not 52 is surely enough.

£52M is probably enough, but that's not the point. What if Chelsea won't pay that unless we pay over the odds for Colwill? Two separate deals - but both being negotiated by the same two clubs in the same time frame. Do you really think it's iimpossible that there's any connection (in Chelsea's mind-set, if not in the Albion's)?
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[Uh_huh_him]

Why ? He’s likely taken his client from Getafe, to Brighton (double wages) to Chelsea (double wages again) in 2 years. If that was my agent and I was playing champions league football, earning 3x more than I was 2 years ago and in with a good shout for Spanish World Cup squad I’d say he’s earnt his fees !

Or......
- Convinced a talented player to tie himself into a long term contract with no release clause
- Incorrectly advised one of the wealthiest club in the world that they would be able to Lowball Tony Bloom
- Unwisely advised his client to put in a transfer request to push through a cheap price.
- allegedly leaked that his client thought his clubs valuation of him was "unrealistic" - Shortly before a UCL club offered the "unrealistic" fee

 

[Psychobilly freakout]

£52M is probably enough, but that's not the point. What if Chelsea won't pay that unless we pay over the odds for Colwill? Two separate deals - but both being negotiated by the same two clubs in the same time frame. Do you really think it's iimpossible that there's any connection (in Chelsea's mind-set, if not in the Albion's)?
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Time to walk away, we do not need to sell, and someone will come in for fella who allegedly has not been going to training this week.
He will have to come back, touch of humility required on his first contact with Dunk & Duffy me thinks.

 

[Springal]

Or......
- Convinced a talented player to tie himself into a long term contract with no release clause
- Incorrectly advised one of the wealthiest club in the world that they would be able to Lowball Tony Bloom
- Unwisely advised his client to put in a transfer request to push through a cheap price.
- allegedly leaked that his client thought his clubs valuation of him was "unrealistic" - Shortly before a UCL club offered the "unrealistic" fee

If Cucurella doesn’t move this window, then I agree he should replace him. If he does move, he’s done his job simple as that.

No worse than the Ben White saga last summer…

 

[Uh_huh_him]

If Cucurella doesn’t move this window, then I agree he should replace him. If he does move, he’s done his job simple as that.

No worse than the Ben White saga last summer…

Either his Agent did not know about Chelsea's interest, or he was representing his client's preference to play for City as a priority

No excuse for the former, as for the latter he failed and has demonstrated a huge inability to negotiate on his client's behalf.

 

[Springal]

Either his Agent did not know about Chelsea's interest, or he was representing his client's preference to play for City as a priority

No excuse for the former, as for the latter he failed and has demonstrated a huge inability to negotiate on his client's behalf.

I’m sure Marc will not be bothered when he’s earning £100k a week, and his agent has pocketed another ‘few million euros’ for his work, on top of what he also earnt last summer.

 

[Swansman]

I don’t see the benefit of this buy back clause, except to the seller. As I see it, Chelsea would sell him to us for X amount. However, at some point in the future they have the right to demand him back and pay X + Y . Really that is little more than an indefinite loan albeit with a bonus to us in the future.
What about inflation, what will you get for that money in ,say, 5 years time?
Suppose we wanted to sell him for less than the buy back price, can we do so?
It seems to me that if he comes good, Chelsea get him back cheap and if he is poor, we are stuck with him.
I guess the clause is written into his contact with Albion . What if he serves his contract and wants to walk away on a Bosman free?
It does not seem a good deal for either the buying club or the player.

This is not quite how it works. Even if Chelsea would have a £50m buy-back clause, Brighton could still sell him to Melchester Rovers for £20m if they want. The buyback clause only means that Brighton must accept a set-fee bid from that club (in this case Chelsea) - it has no impact on other bids.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

This talk of buybacks, that is indeed what Chelsea have liked to do. But that was under the old ownership. Now they've got a new owner, new director of football, who's to say they will still follow the old model.

 

[chaileyjem]

I'm objecting - well, I'm not actually, but to put it far more accurately than you - I'm not happy about the idea that the deal for Chelsea to buy Cucurella might be conditional on Chelsea bending us over for a deal that is far more favourable to them than us involving developing one of their promising youngsters for them, one way or another.

Yes. I get that. But why do you assume Bloom/ Barber will fold here ?

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

Time to walk away, we do not need to sell, and someone will come in for fella who allegedly has not been going to training this week.
He will have to come back, touch of humility required on his first contact with Dunk & Duffy me thinks.

Dunk 'n Duffy, not a duo l'd like to bump into on a dark night.

 

[pornomagboy]

don't think the buy back works for us, he has a great start to season and gets picked by England for world Cup plays well and Chelsea can buy him back at start of Jan for say 50m ( quoted fee) and then sell him towards end of window for £80m

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[hans kraay fan club]

I’m sure Marc will not be bothered when he’s earning £100k a week, and his agent has pocketed another ‘few million euros’ for his work, on top of what he also earnt last summer.

If his Chelsea deal is 'only' £100k / week, then he absolutely WILL be sacking his agent.