Let all Cancer and tumour people die!

[Ernest]

Not at all but the wankers who now run the show ARE NOT SOCIALIST AND NEVER WILL BE.

Exactly Tony Blair is Maggie without the bra and bloomers

 

[simonsimon]

The gradual redistribution of wealth undertaken by Gordon Brown over the last 9 years should be applauded.

Admittedly the gap between the bottom and top layers of society has widened,BUT
at least Labour's natural supporters are now better off, than when the country was run by a nasty narrow minded, social climbing
MAD BITCH.

 

[sullyupthewing]

The gradual redistribution of wealth undertaken by Gordon Brown over the last 9 years should be applauded.

Admittedly the gap between the bottom and top layers of society has widened,BUT
at least Labour's natural supporters are now better off, than when the country was run by a nasty narrow minded, social climbing
MAD BITCH.

The gradual redistribution of wealth undertaken by Gordon Brown over the last 9 years should be applauded

Yeah by screwing the working class with the inheritance tax

 

[chip]

The gradual redistribution of wealth undertaken by Gordon Brown over the last 9 years should be applauded.

Admittedly the gap between the bottom and top layers of society has widened

Why?

We now have whole areas where vast numbers of people will probably never work or contribute meaningfuly to society.

I'm not even convinced that it has been redistributed, rather used to make more people dependent on the state and finance a massive army of bereaucrats. That is something to be embarassed about.

 

[bullshit detector]

interesting...
I hope we never have to deal with this at the Albion rather than on a faceless message board

 

[Starry]

That is awful. I am sorry.

It is despicable and I can't begin to imagine how you felt walking out of that guys office, knowing that he could simply sign a bit of paper....

It is disgusting that we plough so much money into the NHS, yet when it comes to it, and some people that desperately need the care to go further, you are let down.

Shocking, considering we are a "rich" country.

I don't have it in me to be bitter or angry over it. I know the people who looked after Stasia did everything they could, her doctors fought so hard for her treatment but red tape, the wrong postcode... etc. Wrong place, wrong time which is exactly how the health service shouldn't be.

The whole health service is messed up though, when she was an inpatient I had to call my husband to bring calpol, bandages, blankets etc from our stash at home because the ward had none. That was before she was refused the treatment, we took her to Spain for a lot of her care after that where we hads to pay (was cheaper than private care here) but she was treated like royalty in a modern, new hospital where they didn't even think about red tape, postcodes, budgets or paperwork.

 

[Franks Wild Years]

I bet you are not. You are a middle class wannabe with a jealous inferiority complex. You do, however, have the bile, greed and intolerance of Scargil, Hatton and that ilk.

There are a frighteningly large number of similarities bewteen the German national socialists and the ones now running this country. For example, in 1934 the nazis removed the right to appeal and trial by jury, they introduced new terrorist measures and controls on free speach. Sounds familiar?

Perhaps Honecker and Zhivkov are more to your taste - you sound like them. Unfortunately, the actions of this government make them look increasingly moderate. You should change your crib sheet.

And you acuse me of petty name calling. (Twit.)
So hows about giving us some ideas for solutions to these problems.
Agreed we do have area's where large numbers are unemployed, but surely the situation is better than the 10 million unemployed at the height of Thatchers madness. And the health service is in trouble, but I think its in less of a crisis than it was in a few years ago. I'm not a supporter of this government by any means but I don't see anyone in the mainstream of politics comming up with anything better.
I think Barrels got a point when he says about the amount of money spent on IVF especially when you consider the amount of kids on adoption waiting lists. But we've got things so upside down these days.
We'll spend billions going to war whilst at the same time cutting core funding to councils so that local authority schemes intended to raise peoples health awareness get scrapped, then wonder why the NHS bill goes up.
As for the spending of money rebuilding the dome on the mosque, I guess the thinking is that you spend this amount now as a symbolic gesture to try and keep the people happy rather than 100 times the amount later on when the whole situation goes really tits up and we have to send out more troops.

 

[chip]

Hello Frank, I didn't realise you were an alias for LI. That was not name calling - just a character assesment

I belive that there are now around 9.5 million people of working age without employment in the UK, so not much changes.

Actually, I don't disagree with you too much. I have had more experience with the NHS and private hospitals than I have wanted in the past few years. I don't support the war either. I just don't believe that our money is being well spent.

However, IVF, viagra etc. are valid treatments. Health care is about quality of life and depression and mental illness are big problems nowadays that affect the economy. Treatment may be cost effective in those terms.

Paying to rebuild a mosque is pretty mad though. It will only get blown up again. I would rather see money spent on people than grand jestures.

With regard to local authorities, the big problem is not financing services but the pension liabilities. That, and funding shifts north are why our council taxes keep increasing. Meanwhile, our own pensions are raided by another lardy jocko clown.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

However, IVF, viagra etc. are valid treatments. Health care is about quality of life and depression and mental illness are big problems nowadays that affect the economy. Treatment may be cost effective in those terms.

They can affect quality of life, but should people, potentially miss out on life saving treatments, due to a large amount spent on IVF/Viagra etc.

Aside from life saving, a lot of people are in physical pain, which I suspect is far more debilitating than not being able to get an erection! (Perhaps I am being a bit harsh there)

 

[Franks Wild Years]

The unemployment rate was 5.1 per cent, up from 4.7 per cent both over the quarter and over the year. The number of unemployed people increased by 108,000 over the quarter and by 123,000 over the year, to reach 1.54 million.

Cut and pasted from the national statistics web site. Now I realise that governments massage figures,and this is a post massage figure (so to speak) but its a lot less than the post massaged of 10 million in the Thatchers time.

So who the fucks going to get it right The Lardy Jocko Brown Clown raids our pension funds where as his predeceser The Lardy Hush Puppy Wearing Tobacco Promoting Clarky the Clown encouraged us to invest our lifes savings in private companies who gambled on the stock market and lost the lot.
Either way on that account we're shafted.

As for Viagra treatment, now thats a hard one.

 

[Albion Dan]

When you consider the billions of pounds that are spent on firing missiles and arming the forces in Iraq then it makes me sick.

I think I read that the whole Iraq peration would have funded an extra 150 Hospitals here in the UK. Puts it into perspective

 

[chip]

They can affect quality of life, but should people, potentially miss out on life saving treatments, due to a large amount spent on IVF/Viagra etc.

Aside from life saving, a lot of people are in physical pain, which I suspect is far more debilitating than not being able to get an erection! (Perhaps I am being a bit harsh there)

Sure Bof, I'm not arguing against you.

For example, diabetes, type I and II, costs approx. 10% of the NHS budget. Most of that is due to type II. With the rapid increase in metabolic syndrome, we can expect to see that increase. 50% of those funds go to dealing with the direct consequences of the disease, i.e. blindness, amputation. liver & kidney failure, neuropathy etc. With better care these complications can be ameliorated.

However, the focus of the NHS is on treatment and not prevention. The single most important factor in avoiding those complications is maintaining a good level of blood-glucose control, specifically glycosylated haemoglobin. What does the NHS try and do to save money? It rations the test strips to diabetics. The result is worse control, lower quality of life and an increase in severity and occurence of complications.

As regards to drugs and their efficacy or otherwise, it should be remembered that, in most cases, they only have to be effective in a small sample (<30%) to be licensed. Some of course can be worse than none. Medicine actually needs to be more specifically targetted to the disease and the individual to be more effective and that would seem to involve a change from our one size fiits all approach. Genetics, lipidomics and proteonics along appear to be the most significant indicators in better targetting of truly effective treatments. Guess how much funding the latter get compared to genetics.

Sorry for the rant, but this is a bit of a chip on my shoulder.

 

[London Irish]

There are a frighteningly large number of similarities bewteen the German national socialists and the ones now running this country.

Are you serious? Blairites are Nazis? Has Oceanic signed you up then?

 

[chip]

The unemployment rate was 5.1 per cent, up from 4.7 per cent both over the quarter and over the year. The number of unemployed people increased by 108,000 over the quarter and by 123,000 over the year, to reach 1.54 million.

I actually said people of working age without employment which is a significantly different thing to unemployment. All governments massage these figures. This one wants to pick on people who claim incapacity benefit. The 9.5 million figure came from the Sunday Telegraph (now recycled) but is probably just as reliable as the under investigation ONS.

Where did the 10M come from?

 

[Barrel of Fun]

No need to apologise about the rant. I had no idea that Diabetes was such a major cost to the NHS. Sure, I knew it was expensive, but not that much.

Just goes to show how cost cutting a lower levels (school dinners) can have a radical effect later on......being one of the causes.

It is difficult to see, when and how, this is going to get better. We are forced to swallow these doctored figures of waiting lists reduced (nothing about care received).

No need to apolgise for ranting. Nice to get the chip off the shoulder and out in the open, er.....Chip.

 

[London Irish]

Hello Frank, I didn't realise you were an alias for LI. That was not name calling - just a character assesment

Tedious red-baiting abuse you mean.

I've spent the best part of 20 years campaigning inside and outside the Labour Party for greater public expenditure on health and the last 10 years against the Blairites' attempt to limit it by getting into a tax-cutting race with the Tories. What the f*** have you done to oppose the Tories-Blairite attack on the NHS?

 

[chip]

Tedious red-baiting abuse you mean.

I've spent the best part of 20 years campaigning inside and outside the Labour Party for greater public expenditure on health and the last 10 years against the Blairites' attempt to limit it by getting into a tax-cutting race with the Tories. What the f*** have you done to oppose the Tories-Blairite attack on the NHS?

Gone private

 

[London Irish]

Gone private

Yep, I'm alright Jack

And people wonder why the Tories and Blair can get away with what they do, eh?

 

[BensGrandad]

Not at all but the wankers who now run the show ARE NOT SOCIALIST AND NEVER WILL BE.

Didn't I read that Tony Blair tried for two safe Tory seats but was turned down and then went over to Labour.

I have nothing but praise for the NHS and Royal Surrey Hospital in particular.

Went to the dentist at 11.00am who wasn't happy about a spot in my mouth. Saw the registrar at 2.30. Paul Johnson from Maxillio Facial at 3.00 admitted by 4.00 operated on for mouth cancer at 8.00am next morning. That was in 1995 but am still about annoying people so I cannot complain about the NHS. Had 3 more operations after that to remove Lymphnodes but that man saved my life and now I just go back once a year for a check up.

 

[Chicken Run]

Yep, I'm alright Jack

And people wonder why the Tories and Blair can get away with what they do, eh?

In fairness LI if those that have worked hard to improve there lifestyle wish to opt out of the National sector then why not, surely that free's more space for those that are unlucky in life, lazy, poverish background(not that you would know), refuse to pay xtra types to have it for free!

By the way I havent said it for a couple of days BNP Scum