robbied69
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I was just have a discussion with my boss. Would it be considered kiddy fiddling for someone in their mid-20s to muck around with an 17 year old.
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Kiddy-fiddling
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Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Isn't it illegal to have sex with someone under 18 ?
Or is it under 16 ?
Or is it under 16 ?
Louisjpbacon
New member
no, perfectly acceptable 
!!! some 45 year old at my old work used to do it with a 16 yr old. as they are legal age. but ethically it was a bid dodgy.
!!! some 45 year old at my old work used to do it with a 16 yr old. as they are legal age. but ethically it was a bid dodgy.
The Large One
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Sort of.
The legal age of consent is 16, provided the partner is not more than five years older than them. Once they're over 18, that rule doesn't apply.
The source of that was something someone copied and pasted on here about a year or so ago listing every country's age of consent. I'll see if I can find the thread.
The legal age of consent is 16, provided the partner is not more than five years older than them. Once they're over 18, that rule doesn't apply.
The source of that was something someone copied and pasted on here about a year or so ago listing every country's age of consent. I'll see if I can find the thread.
Cian
Well-known member
Beach Hut said:
17 here, I think its 16 in the UK. Definately not 18
So here, entirely legal and above board anyway.
Beach Hut
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Re: Re: Re: Kiddy-fiddling
I've never heard them called "little funny" before.
robbied69 said:
I've never heard them called "little funny" before.
sir danny cullip
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robbied69 said:
As les says if the ngirl is mature then I dont think its that wrong. Depends on each situation really but it happens all the time, most girls my age have been out with guys 5/6 years older than them when they were 15/16.
Tony Meolas Loan Spell
Slut Faced Whores
Didnt know about the 5 year rule TLO refers to.
I thought that 16 was the age of consent.
Is it kiddy fiddling? Well it could be viewed as that if you are in your mid 20s (or older) but not illegal.
What I would say tho that if a mid 20s bloke was sniffing round my 16/17 year old daughter (another 10 years to go yet) then he would not be walking. Again. Ever.
I thought that 16 was the age of consent.
Is it kiddy fiddling? Well it could be viewed as that if you are in your mid 20s (or older) but not illegal.
What I would say tho that if a mid 20s bloke was sniffing round my 16/17 year old daughter (another 10 years to go yet) then he would not be walking. Again. Ever.
The Large One
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Just looked it up, but haven't found the reference to the five-year rule. Perhaps it was excluded or superceded in the Sexual Offence (Amendment) Act 2000. I will keep looking. However, it is illegal for someone in a position of trust or responsibility who is over the age of 18 to have sex with someone under 18.
The text from the amendment bill...
Abuse of position of trust.
3. - (1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3) below, it shall be an offence for a person aged 18 or over-
(a) to have sexual intercourse (whether vaginal or anal) with a person under that age; or
(b) to engage in any other sexual activity with or directed towards such a person, if (in either case) he is in a position of trust in relation to that person.
(2) Where a person ("A") is charged with an offence under this section of having sexual intercourse with, or engaging in any other sexual activity with or directed towards, another person ("B"), it shall be a defence for A to prove that, at the time of the intercourse or activity-
(a) he did not know, and could not reasonably have been expected to know, that B was under 18;
(b) he did not know, and could not reasonably have been expected to know, that B was a person in relation to whom he was in a position of trust; or
(c) he was lawfully married to B.
(3) It shall not be an offence under this section for a person ("A") to have sexual intercourse with, or engage in any other sexual activity with or directed towards, another person ("B") if immediately before the commencement of this Act-
(a) A was in a position of trust in relation to B; and
(b) a sexual relationship existed between them.
(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable-
(a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both;
(b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, or to a fine, or to both.
(5) In this section, "sexual activity"-
(a) does not include any activity which a reasonable person would regard as sexual only with knowledge of the intentions, motives or feelings of the parties; but
(b) subject to that, means any activity which such a person would regard as sexual in all the circumstances.
Meaning of "position of trust".
4. - (1) For the purposes of section 3 above, a person aged 18 or over ("A") is in a position of trust in relation to a person under that age ("B") if any of the four conditions set out below, or any condition specified in an order made by the Secretary of State by statutory instrument, is fulfilled.
(2) The first condition is that A looks after persons under 18 who are detained in an institution by virtue of an order of a court or under an enactment, and B is so detained in that institution.
(3) The second condition is that A looks after persons under 18 who are resident in a home or other place in which-
(a) accommodation and maintenance are provided by an authority under section 23(2) of the Children Act 1989 or Article 27(2) of the Children (Northern Ireland) Order 1995;
(b) accommodation is provided by a voluntary organisation under section 59(1) of that Act or Article 75(1) of that Order; or
(c) accommodation is provided by an authority under section 26(1) of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995, and B is resident, and is so provided with accommodation and maintenance or accommodation, in that place.
(4) The third condition is that A looks after persons under 18 who are accommodated and cared for in an institution which is-
(a) a hospital;
(b) a residential care home, nursing home, mental nursing home or private hospital;
(c) a community home, voluntary home, children's home or residential establishment; or
(d) a home provided under section 82(5) of the Children Act 1989, and B is accommodated and cared for in that institution.
(5) The fourth condition is that A looks after persons under 18 who are receiving full-time education at an educational institution, and B is receiving such education at that institution.
(6) No order shall be made under subsection (1) above unless a draft of the order has been laid before and approved by a resolution of each House of Parliament.
(7) A person looks after persons under 18 for the purposes of this section if he is regularly involved in caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge of such persons.
(8) For the purposes of this section a person receives full-time education at an educational institution if-
(a) he is registered or otherwise enrolled as a full-time pupil or student at the institution; or
(b) he receives education at the institution under arrangements with another educational institution at which he is so registered or otherwise enrolled.
(9) In this section, except where the context otherwise requires-
"authority" means-
(a) in relation to Great Britain, a local authority; and
(b) in relation to Northern Ireland, an authority within the meaning given by Article 2(2) of the Children (Northern Ireland) Order 1995;
"children's home" has-
(a) in relation to England and Wales, the meaning which would be given by subsection (3) of section 63 of the Children Act 1989 if the reference in paragraph (a) of that subsection to more than three children were a reference to one or more children; and
(b) in relation to Northern Ireland, the meaning which would be given by Article 90(1) of the Children (Northern Ireland) Order 1995 if, in Article 91(2) of that Order, paragraphs (f) and (g) and the words after paragraph (h) were omitted;
"community home" has the meaning given by section 53(1) of the Children Act 1989;
"hospital" has-
(a) in relation to England and Wales, the meaning given by section 128(1) of the National Health Service Act 1977;
(b) in relation to Scotland, the meaning given by section 108(1) of the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978; and
(c) in relation to Northern Ireland, the meaning given by Article 2(2) of the Health and Personal Social Services (Northern Ireland) Order 1972;
"mental nursing home" has, in relation to England and Wales, the meaning given by section 22(1) of the Registered Homes Act 1984;
"nursing home"-
(a) in relation to England and Wales, has the meaning given by section 21(1) of the Registered Homes Act 1984;
(b) in relation to Scotland, means a nursing home registered under section 1 of the Nursing Homes Registration (Scotland) Act 1938; and
(c) in relation to Northern Ireland, has the meaning given by Article 16(1) of the Registered Homes (Northern Ireland) Order 1992;
"private hospital" has-
(a) in relation to Scotland, the meaning given by section 12(2) of the Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984; and
(b) in relation to Northern Ireland, the meaning given by Article 90(2) of the Mental Health (Northern Ireland) Order 1986;
"residential care home"-
(a) in relation to England and Wales, has the meaning given by section 1(2) of the Registered Homes Act 1984;
(b) in relation to Scotland, means an establishment in respect of which a person is registered under section 62 or 63 of the Social Work (Scotland) Act 1968; and
(c) in relation to Northern Ireland, has the meaning given by Article 3(1) of the Registered Homes (Northern Ireland) Order 1992;
"residential establishment" has the meaning given by section 93(1) of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995 as the meaning of that expression in relation to a place in Scotland;
"voluntary home" has-
(a) in relation to England and Wales, the meaning given by section 60(3) of the Children Act 1989; and
(b) in relation to Northern Ireland, the meaning given by Article 74(1) of the Children (Northern Ireland) Order 1995.
Got it? Good. Aside from that, the age of consent for both heterosexual and homosexual intercourse is 16.
The text from the amendment bill...
Abuse of position of trust.
3. - (1) Subject to subsections (2) and (3) below, it shall be an offence for a person aged 18 or over-
(a) to have sexual intercourse (whether vaginal or anal) with a person under that age; or
(b) to engage in any other sexual activity with or directed towards such a person, if (in either case) he is in a position of trust in relation to that person.
(2) Where a person ("A") is charged with an offence under this section of having sexual intercourse with, or engaging in any other sexual activity with or directed towards, another person ("B"), it shall be a defence for A to prove that, at the time of the intercourse or activity-
(a) he did not know, and could not reasonably have been expected to know, that B was under 18;
(b) he did not know, and could not reasonably have been expected to know, that B was a person in relation to whom he was in a position of trust; or
(c) he was lawfully married to B.
(3) It shall not be an offence under this section for a person ("A") to have sexual intercourse with, or engage in any other sexual activity with or directed towards, another person ("B") if immediately before the commencement of this Act-
(a) A was in a position of trust in relation to B; and
(b) a sexual relationship existed between them.
(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable-
(a) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both;
(b) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, or to a fine, or to both.
(5) In this section, "sexual activity"-
(a) does not include any activity which a reasonable person would regard as sexual only with knowledge of the intentions, motives or feelings of the parties; but
(b) subject to that, means any activity which such a person would regard as sexual in all the circumstances.
Meaning of "position of trust".
4. - (1) For the purposes of section 3 above, a person aged 18 or over ("A") is in a position of trust in relation to a person under that age ("B") if any of the four conditions set out below, or any condition specified in an order made by the Secretary of State by statutory instrument, is fulfilled.
(2) The first condition is that A looks after persons under 18 who are detained in an institution by virtue of an order of a court or under an enactment, and B is so detained in that institution.
(3) The second condition is that A looks after persons under 18 who are resident in a home or other place in which-
(a) accommodation and maintenance are provided by an authority under section 23(2) of the Children Act 1989 or Article 27(2) of the Children (Northern Ireland) Order 1995;
(b) accommodation is provided by a voluntary organisation under section 59(1) of that Act or Article 75(1) of that Order; or
(c) accommodation is provided by an authority under section 26(1) of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995, and B is resident, and is so provided with accommodation and maintenance or accommodation, in that place.
(4) The third condition is that A looks after persons under 18 who are accommodated and cared for in an institution which is-
(a) a hospital;
(b) a residential care home, nursing home, mental nursing home or private hospital;
(c) a community home, voluntary home, children's home or residential establishment; or
(d) a home provided under section 82(5) of the Children Act 1989, and B is accommodated and cared for in that institution.
(5) The fourth condition is that A looks after persons under 18 who are receiving full-time education at an educational institution, and B is receiving such education at that institution.
(6) No order shall be made under subsection (1) above unless a draft of the order has been laid before and approved by a resolution of each House of Parliament.
(7) A person looks after persons under 18 for the purposes of this section if he is regularly involved in caring for, training, supervising or being in sole charge of such persons.
(8) For the purposes of this section a person receives full-time education at an educational institution if-
(a) he is registered or otherwise enrolled as a full-time pupil or student at the institution; or
(b) he receives education at the institution under arrangements with another educational institution at which he is so registered or otherwise enrolled.
(9) In this section, except where the context otherwise requires-
"authority" means-
(a) in relation to Great Britain, a local authority; and
(b) in relation to Northern Ireland, an authority within the meaning given by Article 2(2) of the Children (Northern Ireland) Order 1995;
"children's home" has-
(a) in relation to England and Wales, the meaning which would be given by subsection (3) of section 63 of the Children Act 1989 if the reference in paragraph (a) of that subsection to more than three children were a reference to one or more children; and
(b) in relation to Northern Ireland, the meaning which would be given by Article 90(1) of the Children (Northern Ireland) Order 1995 if, in Article 91(2) of that Order, paragraphs (f) and (g) and the words after paragraph (h) were omitted;
"community home" has the meaning given by section 53(1) of the Children Act 1989;
"hospital" has-
(a) in relation to England and Wales, the meaning given by section 128(1) of the National Health Service Act 1977;
(b) in relation to Scotland, the meaning given by section 108(1) of the National Health Service (Scotland) Act 1978; and
(c) in relation to Northern Ireland, the meaning given by Article 2(2) of the Health and Personal Social Services (Northern Ireland) Order 1972;
"mental nursing home" has, in relation to England and Wales, the meaning given by section 22(1) of the Registered Homes Act 1984;
"nursing home"-
(a) in relation to England and Wales, has the meaning given by section 21(1) of the Registered Homes Act 1984;
(b) in relation to Scotland, means a nursing home registered under section 1 of the Nursing Homes Registration (Scotland) Act 1938; and
(c) in relation to Northern Ireland, has the meaning given by Article 16(1) of the Registered Homes (Northern Ireland) Order 1992;
"private hospital" has-
(a) in relation to Scotland, the meaning given by section 12(2) of the Mental Health (Scotland) Act 1984; and
(b) in relation to Northern Ireland, the meaning given by Article 90(2) of the Mental Health (Northern Ireland) Order 1986;
"residential care home"-
(a) in relation to England and Wales, has the meaning given by section 1(2) of the Registered Homes Act 1984;
(b) in relation to Scotland, means an establishment in respect of which a person is registered under section 62 or 63 of the Social Work (Scotland) Act 1968; and
(c) in relation to Northern Ireland, has the meaning given by Article 3(1) of the Registered Homes (Northern Ireland) Order 1992;
"residential establishment" has the meaning given by section 93(1) of the Children (Scotland) Act 1995 as the meaning of that expression in relation to a place in Scotland;
"voluntary home" has-
(a) in relation to England and Wales, the meaning given by section 60(3) of the Children Act 1989; and
(b) in relation to Northern Ireland, the meaning given by Article 74(1) of the Children (Northern Ireland) Order 1995.
Got it? Good. Aside from that, the age of consent for both heterosexual and homosexual intercourse is 16.
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Uncle Spielberg
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25 and 17 whats the problem.
It extremely insulting to even insinuate the guy is a kiddy fiddler. Most girls are far more mature anyway so I was say they probably have the same mental age.
If someone was in the mid 30's to 40's people may raise an eyebrow but 25.
Ridiculous thread ?.
It extremely insulting to even insinuate the guy is a kiddy fiddler. Most girls are far more mature anyway so I was say they probably have the same mental age.
If someone was in the mid 30's to 40's people may raise an eyebrow but 25.
Ridiculous thread ?.
eastlondonseagull
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robbied69 said:
When I was 30, I went out with a 19-year-old for a year. Nothing wrong with it at all
Uncle Spielberg
Well-known member
" What I would say tho that if a mid 20s bloke was sniffing round my 16/17 year old daughter (another 10 years to go yet) then he would not be walking. Again. Ever. "
Why
Would you prefer she went around with a 16 year old extremely immature by who is far more likely to treat her like crap and be irresponsible with her
Why
Would you prefer she went around with a 16 year old extremely immature by who is far more likely to treat her like crap and be irresponsible with her
I got shit from my mates until they meet her, then they all said if I hadn't have told them they would have thought she was about 22. Also her parents were fine, I treated her well and as I said she was very mature anyway. If she had acted younger than I wouldn't have been interested in the first place.
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The Large One
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Just looking up the list, provided both people are under 16, the age of consent in Holland is 12. The age of consent for heterosexuals in Spain is 13, but I think that law comes with caveats, such as the five year law I thought was valid for the UK.