Ken Livingstone is a disgrace.

[JonC]

Livingstone is a PRICK, you are welcome truly truly welcome, WHAT A SLIME BALL TRYING TO CLIMB SO FAR UP THAT MUSLIM LEADERS ARSE THE OTHER WEEK and then as a reward he gets his city bombed , thank f*** I am not a Londoner with that supporter of terrorist in charge, the only reason he gets voted in is because the true Londoners f***ed off out of his multicultral utopia years ago and left it to fester.
And before the NSC socialist police call me a racist, I will do it for them I AM A RACIST, same as those f***ing gobshites planting bombs.

I wouldn't accuse you of being a racist anyway. Perhaps an uneducated, brainless, moronic f***...

 

[sullyupthewing]

Hey, did you hear your FUHRER died in his Hove bunker the other day. For you, ze var is over.

From a true Londoner

True Londoner, but a little bit of Irish which you like to let everyone know about, I think I will change my username to Brighton Irish my parents are from Derry, so from now on I am going to be Brighton Irish.
And what the f*** are you on about with Hove.
Still a racist just like you.

 

[JonC]

True Londoner, but a little bit of Irish which you like to let everyone know about, I think I will change my username to Brighton Irish my parents are from Derry, so from now on I am going to be Brighton Irish.
And what the f*** are you on about with Hove.
Still a racist just like you.

It could just be a reference to the rugby team of the same name?

You really are an uneducated, brainless, moronic f***.

 

[London Irish]

My grandmother was from Derry my father from Inverness and they came here legally they did not bunk in and milk the system.
And change your user name to Mr PC correct.

The above quote is one of your charming little replies to me about a year ago.

So grandmother from Derry has now become both parents from Derry? (And not from Inverness any more?)

If you're going to embellish stuff about where your parents come from, best you make your lies consistent. The NSC search is on full-time now that we have our own server.

 

[clapham_gull]

I don't there isn't anything necessarily anti-Ken about having a debate about Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

I'm not sure what to believe about the cleric though - don't really know enough about him. Remember the public spat with Peter Tatchell quite well though

Here's a view from Nick Cohen in the Guardian

http://society.guardian.co.uk/governinglondon/story/0,8150,1418723,00.html

Peter Tachell..
http://www.whatnextjournal.co.uk/Pages/Politics/Notwelcome.html

and finally Ken

http://www.whatnextjournal.co.uk/Pages/Politics/Reply.html

 

[London Irish]

The Yusuf al-Qaradawi debate is a fascinating one.

The difference between Livingstone and Cohen/Tatchell can be boiled down to one thing, their judgement about whether al-Qaradawi can be a force for moderation IN THE SPECIFIC POLITICAL CONTEXT IN WHICH HE OPERATES IN THE MUSLIM WORLD.

I am more persuaded these days by Ken's argument on this after having doubts in the past, much as I admire some of Cohen's journalism (he is a superb writer) and Tatchell's undoubted intergrity and moral courage.

Sadly, Ken's critics each come with baggage of their own, Cohen is not a fan of Ken's criticism of the crimes of the Isreali state against the Palestinians.

And Tatchell is something of a political fundementalist who simply does not believe in the concept of alliances on certain issues with people he has fundamental disagreements on other issues. Such people are principled idealists but simply get nothing done in the real world.

 

[sullyupthewing]

I wouldn't accuse you of being a racist anyway. Perhaps an uneducated, brainless, moronic f***...

No I am not I am a racist.

 

[sullyupthewing]

The Yusuf al-Qaradawi debate is a fascinating one.

The difference between Livingstone and Cohen/Tatchell can be boiled down to one thing, their judgement about whether al-Qaradawi can be a force for moderation IN THE SPECIFIC POLITICAL CONTEXT IN WHICH HE OPERATES IN THE MUSLIM WORLD.

I am more persuaded these days by Ken's argument on this after having doubts in the past, much as I admire some of Cohen's journalism (he is a superb writer) and Tatchell's undoubted intergrity and moral courage.

Sadly, Ken's critics each come with baggage of their own, Cohen is not a fan of Ken's criticism of the crimes of the Isreali state against the Palestinians.

And Tatchell is something of a political fundementalist who simply does not believe in the concept of alliances on certain issues with people he has fundamental disagreements on other issues. Such people are principled idealists but simply get nothing done in the real world.

What a boring tnuc.

 

[sullyupthewing]

The above quote is one of your charming little replies to me about a year ago.

So grandmother from Derry has now become both parents from Derry? (And not from Inverness any more?)

If you're going to embellish stuff about where your parents come from, best you make your lies consistent. The NSC search is on full-time now that we have our own server.

What a boring fart you are London English, my family history has f*** all to do with you, I just gave you a brief description where they are from and thats all. so shut it. so stop trying to get some mileage out of it.

Still a racist, just like you London (English) Irish.

 

[sullyupthewing]

It could just be a reference to the rugby team of the same name?

You really are an uneducated, brainless, moronic f***.

Not a reference to the Rugby team, he just likes to let the the whole world and his dog know that he is London boring Irish.

I am not a boring moronic f***, I AM A RACIST.

 

[ditchy]

Thing is Richie, love 'em ot loathe 'em, we need people like Galloway and Boris Johnson who shoot from the hip rather than waiting to have their PR Department clear every word first.

spot on !

 

[Simster]

Can I just say THANKS to twatty. I love these threads - pure comedy.

Personally, I don't actually agree with you as I think Ken has done a lot of good for London. Perhaps he is does pander to the minority a little too easily (I don't like his idea of spending PUBLIC money on St Paddy's day without a similar amount of spending on St Georges, for example) but I'd MUCH rather have someone of his mindset running a multicultual city of 10 million.

And your "pro IRA" comment is utter tripe. Ken Livingstone was merely advocating talking to the IRA terrorists way back then - and I completely agree with him. Thatcher's policy of "not negotiating with terrorrists" ended up costing hundreds of civilian lives, very nearly including her own.

Generally speaking, if people feel compelled enough to starve themselves to death or strap explosives to their bodies and walk onto buses for a cause you don't agree with or understand, I'd have thought opening a dialogue would be a good place to start in trying to solve the problem.

 

[somerset]

Two mayoral election wins and I would guess he probably has at least 2 or 3 more terms left - as the voice of the real London (multicultural, pluralist, foreward-thinking), he is untouchable.

Sadly I find myself agreeing with you,........ shock, horror.

Now that he has thrown off the shackles of the 'loony left' political bias of the early 80's, and has become a leader of the common man for the benefit of the common man, rather than for the benefit of the party, he has a much wider appeal.

His fight for the Olympics though( however well fought), does fly in the face of the anti-competition stance taken by all the labour councils and education authorities in and around London during the 80's, but hey...... roll on 2012, and roll on Ken's tenure.

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

Watched ken on Channel 4 news last week and I couldn't disagree with a single thing he said. As for Al-Qaradawi..... everything he has said IN CONTEXT speaks of moderation... nearly everything we hear has been taken out of context and twisted by the media. He is still too fundamentalist for my taste but he is the most moderate person who is likely to be listened to by those who pose a threat. So what do we do... talk to the moderates or stick our heads in the sand so they can target our arses more clearly?

As Bush has found out... you cannot beat these people conventionally... and we should be looking to see how solid the ground is beneath our feet before we dismiss their grievances out of hand... our failure to address these grievances beforehand have put us in the position we find ourselves today.

 

[WATFORD O]

Can I just say THANKS to twatty. I love these threads - pure comedy.

Personally, I don't actually agree with you as I think Ken has done a lot of good for London. Perhaps he is does pander to the minority a little too easily (I don't like his idea of spending PUBLIC money on St Paddy's day without a similar amount of spending on St Georges, for example) but I'd MUCH rather have someone of his mindset running a multicultual city of 10 million.

And your "pro IRA" comment is utter tripe. Ken Livingstone was merely advocating talking to the IRA terrorists way back then - and I completely agree with him. Thatcher's policy of "not negotiating with terrorrists" ended up costing hundreds of civilian lives, very nearly including her own.

Generally speaking, if people feel compelled enough to starve themselves to death or strap explosives to their bodies and walk onto buses for a cause you don't agree with or understand, I'd have thought opening a dialogue would be a good place to start in trying to solve the problem.

You statement has no basis in fact. Successive British governments in the 70's 80' and 90's had dialogue with the IRA. However the IRA was suspicious about dealing with the Brits as it had earlier tried to use this dialogue as a way of infiltrating the terrorists and tried to split them up from within by dividing them. These same suspicions again came to the surface during the current round of negotiations and lie at the heart of IRA misgivings and the creation of the Real IRA. Thatcher was right and compared to Livingstone a political god. Livingstone is nothing but an oportunist turd. He couldnt give a f*** about people being killed. Its all to further his own career.

 

[WATFORD O]

Sadly I find myself agreeing with you,........ shock, horror.

Now that he has thrown off the shackles of the 'loony left' political bias of the early 80's, and has become a leader of the common man for the benefit of the common man, rather than for the benefit of the party, he has a much wider appeal.

His fight for the Olympics though( however well fought), does fly in the face of the anti-competition stance taken by all the labour councils and education authorities in and around London during the 80's, but hey...... roll on 2012, and roll on Ken's tenure.

Kens a !!!!. Winning the Olympics had f*** all to do with him. Without Coe we would not have got it.

 

[WATFORD O]

Not a reference to the Rugby team, he just likes to let the the whole world and his dog know that he is London boring Irish.

I am not a boring moronic f***, I AM A RACIST.

Are you feeling alright?

 

[sullyupthewing]

Are you feeling alright?

Feeling fine, and still a racist

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

Generally speaking, if people feel compelled enough to starve themselves to death or strap explosives to their bodies and walk onto buses for a cause you don't agree with or understand, I'd have thought opening a dialogue would be a good place to start in trying to solve the problem.

Wise words.

I have always admired Ken Livingstone - especially when he reduced fares in London. And even when he does not tow the party line in speaking out against injustice where he sees it. You are not always going to agree with all that a person says or does - but he gets it right more often than not.

Plus - as pointed out earlier - he winds Twatty up.

 

[Simster]

You statement has no basis in fact. Successive British governments in the 70's 80' and 90's had dialogue with the IRA. However the IRA was suspicious about dealing with the Brits as it had earlier tried to use this dialogue as a way of infiltrating the terrorists and tried to split them up from within by dividing them. These same suspicions again came to the surface during the current round of negotiations and lie at the heart of IRA misgivings and the creation of the Real IRA. Thatcher was right and compared to Livingstone a political god. Livingstone is nothing but an oportunist turd. He couldnt give a f*** about people being killed. Its all to further his own career.

Sorry twatty, what was Thatcher right about? From what I remember of time under Thatch, we had hunger strikes, constant IRA threats in London, tit-for-tat killings in Belfast and Londonderry virtually every other day, no police presence whatsoever in nationalist areas, unmarked police driving into a republican processions and then being executed, Harrods being bombed, hunger strikes etc. In contrast, Major opened a proper dialog - continued by Blair. The fanatics separated into the Real IRA who then committed a single appalling atrocity which has since completely alienated them and brought those fanatics to their knees.

So no, Thatcher was wrong.

Livingston is indeed opportunist at times, but talking to the IRA is not a good example of that, IMO. What is "opportunist" about speaking to the IRA?