[News] Just Stop Oil

[dadams2k11]

"The change will be effected by cutting the automatic release point for most standard sentences from 50% to 40%, although serious violent offenders, as well as those jailed for sex offences, terrorism and crimes associated with domestic abuse, will be excluded from the scheme".

That's fair enough thanks for informing me.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

This is a falsehood.

Criminal damage and trespass are crimes with victims.

Trespass is not a criminal charge but a civil act. There was no criminal damage but they were charged with a brand new law brought in by the last government (heavily lobbied by the fossil fuel companies) of Conspiracy to cause a Public Nuisance. One of the defendants was charged because of a Zoom call.

Causing a public nuisance could be anything the police want it to be. Thank goodness we have the Amex now, because hanging banners on bridges, and walking down Old Shoreham Road with placards saying Archer Out could be construed to be a public nuisance.

 

[Hotchilidog]

These sentences are a disgrace and an authoritarian crackdown on peaceful protest. In a week we have heard a lot about prison overcrowding yet we are now to start stuffing them with people who want to save the planet. It's a joke.

 

[Hugo Rune]

These sentences are a disgrace and an authoritarian crackdown on peaceful protest. In a week we have heard a lot about prison overcrowding yet we are now to start stuffing them with people who want to save the planet. It's a joke.

These sentences are the opposite to what the new Prisons Minister stands for. By appointing him, the government have very clearly signalled their direction of travel.

However, if they start pilling into the judiciary system like the last lot did, they are just as bad. Whilst it’s not as simple as Starmer cancelling the hated Rwanda scheme on day 1, it would be good to see some plans around returning to us the freedom of speech we used to have along with a roadmap of getting these people out of prison asap. They don’t belong there.

 

[Hotchilidog]

These sentences are the opposite to what the new Prisons Minister stands for. By appointing him, the government have very clearly signalled their direction of travel.

However, if they start pilling into the judiciary system like the last lot did, they are just as bad. Whilst it’s not as simple as Starmer cancelling the hated Rwanda scheme on day 1, it would be good to see some plans around returning to us the freedom of speech we used to have along with a roadmap of getting these people out of prison asap. They don’t belong there.

It's the law that's bad. This can be sorted through amending the legislation without piling into the judiciary, which I agree would be a bad thing.

 

[rippleman]

Isn't it more that the leaders / those in charge of JSO are just a teeny bit thick?

Places to protest which may garner support (or at least result in shrugging):

HQs of oil & gas companies
Refineries
Companies who transport oil
Banks who support oil & gas companies

Places to protest if you want to totally alienate public support:

National events (eg Chelsea RHS)
Sporting events
Damaging World Heritage sites
Sitting in the middle of the road

 

[worthingseagull123]

Isn't it more that the leaders / those in charge of JSO are just a teeny bit thick?

Places to protest which may garner support (or at least result in shrugging):

HQs of oil & gas companies
Refineries
Companies who transport oil
Banks who support oil & gas companies

Places to protest if you want to totally alienate public support:

National events (eg Chelsea RHS)
Sporting events
Damaging World Heritage sites
Sitting in the middle of the road

So block refineries?

Stop supply of petrol and diesel to petrol stations?

Stopping people from getting to work, going about their lawful business will not work.

Having to queue for an hour to get petrol, because some crusty is blocking a refinery, wont cut the mustard.

 

[pocketseagull]

Not JSO but keeping to the subject of protest, this week we've seen people being arrested for

‘conspiracy to cause a public nuisance’​

In one case people arrested were planning on disrupting the State opening of Parliament. Totally legitimate target for protest. It's a disgrace really.

 

[jessiejames]

The sad reality is these people were vindicated in full.

You have to ask yourself what is in it for the protestors?

I feel pretty strongly about climate change but there is no way I would be prepared to make the personal sacrifice they have made. I wouldn’t fancy spending a couple of years in the scrubs with some pretty unpleasant individuals.

They are paying a heavy price for making a stand for the younger generation who will take the hit for previous generations inaction.

The one who got 5 years did not make a personal sacrifice. He organised it over a teams meeting grooming people to do the dirty work for him, he wasnt going to get his hands dirty or endanger his own life for a so called cause that he believes in and is so important to him. He thought he would get away with it because it was only a teams meeting, well tough luck, the sentance should have been longer.

Same as a peado who grooms children on in a chat room, or hate preachers who get idiots to martyr themselfs in the name of allah.

 

[heathgate]

Not JSO but keeping to the subject of protest, this week we've seen people being arrested for

‘conspiracy to cause a public nuisance’​

In one case people arrested were planning on disrupting the State opening of Parliament. Totally legitimate target for protest. It's a disgrace really.

Legitimate.. in your not so humble opinion of course.

 

[pocketseagull]

Do you not think that Parliament is an appropriate place to protest in a Parliamentary democracy?

 

[Billy the Fish]

Trespass is not a criminal charge but a civil act. There was no criminal damage but they were charged with a brand new law brought in by the last government (heavily lobbied by the fossil fuel companies) of Conspiracy to cause a Public Nuisance. One of the defendants was charged because of a Zoom call.

Causing a public nuisance could be anything the police want it to be. Thank goodness we have the Amex now, because hanging banners on bridges, and walking down Old Shoreham Road with placards saying Archer Out could be construed to be a public nuisance.

Aggregated trespass is a criminal offence, a number of JSO protesters have been convicted of it in the last month, and been given community service as punishment.

But that's not the point I was making.
You're all going to desperate lengths in order to minimise their actions. JSO love trott out the phrase "peaceful protest" as if it excuses any amount of disruption, damage or cost to businesses and individuals.

Blocking the M25 for a number of days is in no way equivalent to marching down the seafront for an hour. The police were notified for all of the stadium protests, and they were well publicised, there's absolution no comparison.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Isn't it more that the leaders / those in charge of JSO are just a teeny bit thick?

Places to protest which may garner support (or at least result in shrugging).

Sadly, it was their strategy that was wrong.

Instead of trying to garner support. They went with news volume and publicity under the old ‘any news is good news’ doctrine.

This was actually incredibly successful in itself. Just look at the length of this thread! They got thousands and thousands of column inches and headlines.

However, they hadn’t counted on how unpopular the British public (mostly through the lens of the right wing media) would find their actions. Many people are happy they serve longer sentences than violent offenders now. In a country capable of voting for things like Brexit and Johnson as PM, you have to be very careful with your publicity planning. It backfired spectacularly.

In terms of the objective of garnering support, I don’t think that ever crossed their minds.

 

[spence]

Five supporters of the Just Stop Oil climate campaign who conspired to cause gridlock on London’s orbital motorway have been sentenced to lengthy jail terms.

Roger Hallam, Daniel Shaw, Louise Lancaster, Lucia Whittaker De Abreu and Cressida Gethin were found guilty last week of conspiracy to cause a public nuisance for coordinating direct action protests on the M25 over four days in November 2022.


Hallam received a five year sentence on Thursday, while the other four were each sentenced to four years.

Fantastic sentences. More of the same.

 

[worthingseagull123]

Full sentencing remarks here.

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/R-v-Hallam-and-others.pdf

 

[HH Brighton]

Fantastic sentences. More of the same.

Todays moron right here

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

These sentences are a disgrace and an authoritarian crackdown on peaceful protest. In a week we have heard a lot about prison overcrowding yet we are now to start stuffing them with people who want to save the planet. It's a joke.

Starmer out!

Oh, hang on....this is a Tory law. Starmer hasn't had chance to legislate on anything yet.

Will he be demanding a law change to fix this? I hope not, Not as a priority. Student politics came before carpet bagger politics and wheezes (the last lot), and we are somewhere else now. Apparently..

So, patience. And try to exhale. There are big issues to deal with, much of which is clearing up the vomit and empty bottles left by he Johnson/Truss/Sunk gang. All in good time.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Sadly, it was their strategy that was wrong.

Instead of trying to garner support. They went with news volume and publicity under the old ‘any news is good news’ doctrine.

This was actually incredibly successful in itself. Just look at the length of this thread! They got thousands and thousands of column inches and headlines.

However, they hadn’t counted on how unpopular the British public (mostly through the lens of the right wing media) would find their actions. Many people are happy they serve longer sentences than violent offenders now. In a country capable of voting for things like Brexit and Johnson as PM, you have to be very careful with your publicity planning. It backfired spectacularly.

In terms of the objective of garnering support, I don’t think that ever crossed their minds.

No compromise with the electorate! The clarion call of Militant, the fore-runner of Momentum. That went well....

They could of course mount a boycott of Bad Things (like petrol) but the trouble is, people have other ideas. About driving their cars. And that.

So they have crossed a Rubicon and think that bullying Joe and Babs public is a plan. Mmmmm....... will it work? Mmmmmm.....no.

 

[A1X]

 

[worthingseagull123]

The founder of Stop Oil does come out with some weird things.

The perverse fantasies of XR's founder

If we don’t cut carbon emissions, your mother will be raped. This is the deranged prediction of Roger Hallam, the weird-beard co-founder of Extinction Rebellion. Eco-doomsters used to say the ice caps would melt and polar bears would perish unless we all went green. Now they’re upping the ante...

www.spectator.co.uk