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Discussing this with a few people recently, do you think teams should get half a point for a clean sheet if they win a game(Not for a 0-0 draw) to reward good defending as well as scoring
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Half a point for a clean sheet?
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Braders
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Art Vs Science
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This was also suggested in the discussion.
TCB: you may well be right(Shocker) on this one
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This would simply reward ultra defensive teams who grind out a lot of 1-0 wins.......
It would be totally counter productive and it would not have the effect that (I assume) you want it to have
Grand idea.........!!!!!!!!!!
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I was not suggesting it, it just came up as a discussion amongst a few of us and wanted to know other people's views on it. I was not in favour of it but was in favour of teams not getting any points for a 0-0
So you're saying Blackpool should get no points for getting a 0-0 draw at Old Trafford?
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As equal as getting no points for 0-0 at Wigan, yes. I think it would encourage teams to play less defensive away from home
I disagree with the implication from the premise: that the defence currently go unrewarded.
The 3 points is for the team that wins. You win by conceding fewer than you score and scoring more than you concede. To offer a reward for the defence for keeping a clean sheet ignores how well the forwards perform, ignores that it may be two defenders who score the goals in a 2-1 win, goal line clearances by midfield/forwards) and disproportionately rewards the defence - when al you have to do as a defender is concede fewer than your team scores, conceding 0 may be more than is necessary (i.e. if you score 3 you can afford to concede 2) and you get an extra half point. If your team concedes zero then if your forwards score more than 1 they have done more than enough and deserve rewarding.
So allow me to propose a new view of the current system:
If you lose, the team gets 0pts, the defence failed to concede fewer than the team scored 0pts, the forwards failed to score more than the team concede 0pts = 0pts
If you draw, the team gets 0.5pts, the defence gets 0.25pts for not conceding more than they score, the forwards get 0.25pts for not failing to score fewer than they concede = 1pts
If you win, the team gets 1pt, the defence gets 1pt for conceding fewer than hey score and the forwards get one point for scoring more than they concede = 3pts.
That way the defence and forwards each get recognition for their role in the results, and we don't have to worry about changing the scoring system based around what some people consider good football.
The 3 points is for the team that wins. You win by conceding fewer than you score and scoring more than you concede. To offer a reward for the defence for keeping a clean sheet ignores how well the forwards perform, ignores that it may be two defenders who score the goals in a 2-1 win, goal line clearances by midfield/forwards) and disproportionately rewards the defence - when al you have to do as a defender is concede fewer than your team scores, conceding 0 may be more than is necessary (i.e. if you score 3 you can afford to concede 2) and you get an extra half point. If your team concedes zero then if your forwards score more than 1 they have done more than enough and deserve rewarding.
So allow me to propose a new view of the current system:
If you lose, the team gets 0pts, the defence failed to concede fewer than the team scored 0pts, the forwards failed to score more than the team concede 0pts = 0pts
If you draw, the team gets 0.5pts, the defence gets 0.25pts for not conceding more than they score, the forwards get 0.25pts for not failing to score fewer than they concede = 1pts
If you win, the team gets 1pt, the defence gets 1pt for conceding fewer than hey score and the forwards get one point for scoring more than they concede = 3pts.
That way the defence and forwards each get recognition for their role in the results, and we don't have to worry about changing the scoring system based around what some people consider good football.
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Sounds good to me.
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That system will never work
It seems like your having two arguments. On one hand, you want no points for a 0-0 draw and on the other you want half a point for a clean sheet? Do you not think the current system works quite well as it is? Is there a major problem with say Brighton winning 4-0 away at Charton? Is it not the case that is quite right for a worse team to try and scrape a 0-0 against a much better side? One pont is better than none.
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As i say, i was not in favour in this discussion with regards to the half point, Only the point about no points for a 0-0. It's no biggie, i just wanted to know what other people thought.
Dorset Seagull
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Far too radical...the FA would never sanction it!
beorhthelm
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great idea.
the OP suggestion goes directly against the reasoning behinde 3 points for a win, ie to promote attacking game. suggestion above for 1/2 point for score more than 4 or somthing is a much better idea.