Fox Hunts

[lincs seagull]

also are you seriously trying to say that the only way farmers and countryside folk make their living is through fox hunting. you seem to imply that the majority of the countryside dwellers rely on hunting for income. i think you will find its probably a minority

Money from the hunt and the people who do it goes in to the rural economy farmers local shops and inducstry there will be a lot effected with an all out ban on hunting

it is not the minority i can easily tell you this being first hand

And as for the miners comment well look how they protested the public turned against them and the mines shut and those areas are now some the poorest places in the country

a lesson to be learnt

 

[caz99]

[B

And as for the miners comment well look how they protested the public turned against them and the mines shut and those areas are now some the poorest places in the country

a lesson to be learnt [/B]

trouble is the miners werent involved in bloodsports.

 

[London Calling]

Just because you and others find it obscene isn't necessarily a good reason to ban it. A lot of the same people who find fox hunting obscene have no problem with pornography, equally to some fox hunting is OK and pornography is obscene.

Personally I have no wish to join or witness a fox hunt but I also hate the way some in the current government want to impose their moral 'standards' on others. I don't think townies should be telling those in the country how to live their lives any more than the French should tell us how to live ours. I'd rather the parliamentary time had been spent dealing with all of the problems in schools, hospitals and with transport.

On the fox population question, the fox & rabbit populations are directly linked. As the fox numbers increase, so rabbit numbers decline as they get eaten faster than they can breed. Then the foxes decline as the food source dwindles - this allows the fast-breeding rabbits to increase in numbers as they breed faster than foxes. The fox population then increases as there is plenty of food and the cycle starts all over again. I bet you feel better for knowing that...

~Apart from your average fox is now eating the remnants of Kentucky Fried Chicken than bothering with rabbits.

The whole economy of the countryside has now, little connection with the British consumer. The various Government subsidies of the agricultural industry from 1947 to the mid 80's and the then replacement with the EC CAP,

has basically made the large land owners wealthy at the expense of the consumer and the small farmer.

Isn't ASDA the largest land owner in the Country!

Personally, I don't approve the way the British countryside has been redeveloped into super fields that has destroyed ancient hedgerows, local fauna's and flora.

THe GM crop issue is just another continual development of big business, in that case, the chemical industry putting profit before culture.

To me fox hunting should not be a part of an economy, the same goes with bull fighting, the release of the bulls, whaling etc.

These are my views. If its means my morality and a Government implementation of my views mean a lost of jobs, then so be it.

I actually fought againgst the pit closures, I stood on picket lines (as a southerner- it was a frightening experience, I was often mistaken for an undercover copper).

As a result of pit closures 126,000 jobs were lost!!!!!!!! My friend has just taken his redundancy- one of Britain's last miners!

The impact of one closed colliery around 1,000 direct jobs will have a greater impact on that community than the whole ban on fox hunting.

Lets not be mistaken many of the collieries were in rural areas.

Along with coal, the UK lost its textiles, clothing, steel, shipping industry in the 80's. Millions of jobs were lost. Local communities are still suffering.

Two years ago. A half of 16-24 year olds in Worksop were on herion! A legacy of an industrial are with no jobs.

Following from Lincs Seagull post of 24/2/2005 around 2.45 the sentiments I generally agree with. I have amended my post to
I will not cry for the large landed farmers ( often the supermarket companies) and the aristocrats.
I will support the small farmer, the farmer who goes back to Organic farming (nearly all of the industry pre 1939) and the farmer who respects the land.



LC

 

[lincs seagull]

As always, its the extremists who make the news, and although they're not a representative of how the majority behave, their actions do put the whole campaign in an appalling light.

Don't feel you should apologise at all lincs - its not your fault some people choose to behave like moronic thugs. We can only be responsible for our own actions.

I have strong passion for the rural life since moving up to this area from sussex i have studied agriculture and envromental matters.

work in the farming industry.

will be marring a farmers daughter in the future

and now work for a food manufactuer directly linked to farming.

The life of country to town is very different and many areas neither side understand.

The countryside alliance dont know how to come to town and not wind up and provoke hatred but this is to them the best way of attention grabbing they do not have the facilitys or the knowledge of the city life. These people are not the majority of country dwellers.

We want the same as city comftable life aminitys and to go about the life that we have done for years

Fox hunting is just another straw that is on this camels back with all the other rural issues of the last five years and now people are not being pushed around

a lot of country dwellers are not pro fox hunting but see the bigger picture and they are trying to save things before it to late

And thats what a lot of city dwellers dont see they see Twats running a mock in Brighton invading the commons and leaving dead animals in roads.

This is not us but we dont want to be shit on by the goverment any longer and the noise and power will make them think again beforse coming up with another major bill for the country side

 

[Starry]

I'd like to get a blunderbuss and blast them (the foxhunters) off their horses! Bloody condecending toffs with no manners.

Just curious, but what makes someone a 'toff'?

 

[lincs seagull]

[B.

I will not cry for the farmers, aristocrats.

LC [/B]

After the subsadarys went the farming commuinty has been shot

we have to produce on a very unfair world market with so many major countrys paying there farmers to produce.

British farmers are the best in the world the safest the most economical then the supermarkets started with there price war they have artifically surpressed the price of producing the raw material

Milk farmers can not produce milk for the price the milk companys will pay

A friend earned 6000 pounds last year thats all his family had to spend that year he will be giving up it it continues

Beef the same brazil and africa undercut

and it was the need for cheap food which made an abotoir buy in foot and mouth meat. Not the British farmer.

Corn is at an all time low with the american surpressing the price with there subsidised corn.

Sugar beet no point growing cost more to produce than they will pay.

Potatoes good years and bad years

Salad going well but only a few areas can grow this.

It is in depression no doubt more farmers selling up or going out of business and more foriegn imports

but the people who fed the country after the war up to the surpluss days of the mid 80s have benn ignored and now blamed for everthing WE ARE NOT THE FOX HUNTERS

 

[Easy 10]

Just because you and others find it obscene isn't necessarily a good reason to ban it. A lot of the same people who find fox hunting obscene have no problem with pornography, equally to some fox hunting is OK and pornography is obscene.

You're quite right - different people have different moralities. However, pornography is a bit different to fox hunting though, in that nothing or nobody is actually harmed (apart from child porn, which is obviously an entirely different matter). The real difference is that the pro-hunting lobby believe there is absolutely nothing morally wrong with a live animal being ripped to shreds, as part of their hobby/passtime. The anti-hunt lobby believe that there IS something morally wrong with that.

I don't think townies should be telling those in the country how to live their lives any more than the French should tell us how to live ours.

Come on, we've all got to be governed by the same laws. Its a quaint thought, to "just let those country folk get on with it", and accept that they live to a different set of rules and moralities to everyone else. But what else should the government "turn a blind eye" to ? Should they allow country folk to have sex with horses ? Or torture sheep with Celine Dion videos ? Where do you draw the line ?

 

[lincs seagull]

I have run out of words really for this fox hunting debate

But i would like to say that some of the response from you has been great and i have been impressed how you have listened to peoples arguments

i would like to just say that i remain nuteral in this debate i can see both sides of the fence

I have no axe to grind with anyone on here.

But i would like to state things that have been said to be in the past few weeks which has got to the time where i have blown my top

I am not a nazi this is the worest insult

I am not a toff

i am not inbreed

I am not a pro fox hunter

I am a country dweller who works in farming i love the country as much as i love Brighton

Keep the faith

 

[caz99]

~Apart from your average fox is now eating the remnants of Kentucky Fried Chicken than bothering with rabbits.

The whole economy of the countryside has now, little connection with the British consumer. The various Government subsidies of the agricultural industry from 1947 to the mid 80's and the then replacement with the EC CAP,

has basically made the large land owners wealthy at the expense of the consumer and the small farmer.

Isn't ASDA the largest land owner in the Country!

Personally, I don't approve the way the British countryside has been redeveloped into super fields that has destroyed ancient hedgerows, local fauna's and flora.

THe GM crop issue is just another continual development of big business, in that case, the chemical industry putting profit before culture.

To me fox hunting should not be a part of an economy, the same goes with bull fighting, the release of the bulls, whaling etc.

These are my views. If its means my morality and a Government implementation of my views mean a lost of jobs, then so be it.

I actually fought againgst the pit closures, I stood on picket lines (as a southerner- it was a frightening experience, I was often mistaken for an undercover copper).

As a result of pit closures 126,000 jobs were lost!!!!!!!! My friend has just taken his redundancy- one of Britain's last miners!

The impact of one closed colliery around 1,000 direct jobs will have a greater impact on that community than the whole ban on fox hunting.

Lets not be mistaken many of the collieries were in rural areas.

Along with coal, the UK lost its textiles, clothing, steel, shipping industry in the 80's. Millions of jobs were lost. Local communities are still suffering.

Two years ago. A half of 16-24 year olds in Worksop were on herion! A legacy of an industrial are with no jobs.

Following from Lincs Seagull post of 24/2/2005 around 2.45 the sentiments I generally agree with. I have amended my post to
I will not cry for the large landed farmers ( often the supermarket companies) and the aristocrats.
I will support the small farmer, the farmer who goes back to Organic farming (nearly all of the industry pre 1939) and the farmer who respects the land.



LC

this is the post of the thread

 

[3gulls]

~Apart from your average fox is now eating the remnants of Kentucky Fried Chicken than bothering with rabbits.

The whole economy of the countryside has now, little connection with the British consumer. The various Government subsidies of the agricultural industry from 1947 to the mid 80's and the then replacement with the EC CAP,

has basically made the large land owners wealthy at the expense of the consumer and the small farmer.

Isn't ASDA the largest land owner in the Country!

Personally, I don't approve the way the British countryside has been redeveloped into super fields that has destroyed ancient hedgerows, local fauna's and flora.

THe GM crop issue is just another continual development of big business, in that case, the chemical industry putting profit before culture.

To me fox hunting should not be a part of an economy, the same goes with bull fighting, the release of the bulls, whaling etc.

These are my views. If its means my morality and a Government implementation of my views mean a lost of jobs, then so be it.

I actually fought againgst the pit closures, I stood on picket lines (as a southerner- it was a frightening experience, I was often mistaken for an undercover copper).

As a result of pit closures 126,000 jobs were lost!!!!!!!! My friend has just taken his redundancy- one of Britain's last miners!

The impact of one closed colliery around 1,000 direct jobs will have a greater impact on that community than the whole ban on fox hunting.

Lets not be mistaken many of the collieries were in rural areas.

Along with coal, the UK lost its textiles, clothing, steel, shipping industry in the 80's. Millions of jobs were lost. Local communities are still suffering.

Two years ago. A half of 16-24 year olds in Worksop were on herion! A legacy of an industrial are with no jobs.

Following from Lincs Seagull post of 24/2/2005 around 2.45 the sentiments I generally agree with. I have amended my post to
I will not cry for the large landed farmers ( often the supermarket companies) and the aristocrats.
I will support the small farmer, the farmer who goes back to Organic farming (nearly all of the industry pre 1939) and the farmer who respects the land.



LC

What is the point of your post. The miners and others lost their jobs on purely economic grounds, not because they were militant left-wing scum (but many were). Those associated with fox hunting have lost theirs through prejudice and some sort of misguided belief that all those who attend hunts are blue blooded. Who gives a f*** about a few foxes being killed?

 

[parks]

DEATH TO ALL FOXES - THEY SHIT IN MY GARDEN!!!!

 

[parks]

~Apart from your average fox is now eating the remnants of Kentucky Fried Chicken than bothering with rabbits.

The whole economy of the countryside has now, little connection with the British consumer. The various Government subsidies of the agricultural industry from 1947 to the mid 80's and the then replacement with the EC CAP,

has basically made the large land owners wealthy at the expense of the consumer and the small farmer.

Isn't ASDA the largest land owner in the Country!

Personally, I don't approve the way the British countryside has been redeveloped into super fields that has destroyed ancient hedgerows, local fauna's and flora.

THe GM crop issue is just another continual development of big business, in that case, the chemical industry putting profit before culture.

To me fox hunting should not be a part of an economy, the same goes with bull fighting, the release of the bulls, whaling etc.

These are my views. If its means my morality and a Government implementation of my views mean a lost of jobs, then so be it.

I actually fought againgst the pit closures, I stood on picket lines (as a southerner- it was a frightening experience, I was often mistaken for an undercover copper).

As a result of pit closures 126,000 jobs were lost!!!!!!!! My friend has just taken his redundancy- one of Britain's last miners!

The impact of one closed colliery around 1,000 direct jobs will have a greater impact on that community than the whole ban on fox hunting.

Lets not be mistaken many of the collieries were in rural areas.

Along with coal, the UK lost its textiles, clothing, steel, shipping industry in the 80's. Millions of jobs were lost. Local communities are still suffering.

Two years ago. A half of 16-24 year olds in Worksop were on herion! A legacy of an industrial are with no jobs.

Following from Lincs Seagull post of 24/2/2005 around 2.45 the sentiments I generally agree with. I have amended my post to
I will not cry for the large landed farmers ( often the supermarket companies) and the aristocrats.
I will support the small farmer, the farmer who goes back to Organic farming (nearly all of the industry pre 1939) and the farmer who respects the land.



LC

knob!!!!

 

[portslade seagull]

They only hunt animals that can't fight back..
let one of them be chased for hours to near exhaustion
and see how they feel...

 

[parks]

Blair is doing that at the moment with human beings -ban war..what about those poor little cows, bolt in the head, oh and pigs and sheep, rabbits, little fish, oh and those poor carrotts, think there they are minding there own business when WHAM some bastard kills them by pulling them out of the ground.. get a life.

 

[London Calling]

What is the point of your post. The miners and others lost their jobs on purely economic grounds, not because they were militant left-wing scum (but many were). Those associated with fox hunting have lost theirs through prejudice and some sort of misguided belief that all those who attend hunts are blue blooded. Who gives a f*** about a few foxes being killed?

Lost their jobs on economic grounds

and "not the enemy within"

They were producing the cheapest deep mined coal in the world in 1983/4 and guess what we are now producing the cheapest coal in the world.

But alas our industry is vitually gone! And in a few years when our stock piles have beem exhausted we will be open to whatever the barons of South Africa, Columbia and Poland charge us..

LC

 

[portslade seagull]

At least their death is quick and not a prolonged
marathon being chased by a load of red coated fools
who have nothing better to do...
If thats your idea of fun maybe you need to find a life !

 

[clapham_gull]

Has anyone mentioned the 6,000 odd hounds that are put down each year - most of which don't live to half their natural lifespan.

Before I get the "what the f*ck do you know in the city" - I have lived most of my life in rural Sussex (where they hunt locally) and my family who still live there have always been against it.

I knew little about hunting, but was intrigued about the Countryside Alliance claiming that 20,000 dogs would have to be destoyed as part of the ban. Then I thought to myself - well when I was growing up, I don't remember seeing many retired fox hounds in the village.

That's my problem with it.

Hypocritical meat eater? Probably, but I think I'm allowed to take a personal moral standpoint that's it okay for me to eat a cow bred for food, but not be comfortable with 6,000 dogs shot a year for sport.

Imagine the outcry of dog shooting as a sport ? Would fox hunters be as willing to take part if they had to shoot the dogs themselves ?

(Would I be willing to continue eating meat if I had to kill the Cow myself ?, admittedly not )

So the claim about 20,000 dogs being destroyed? Well if the ban had gone through the Lords we would have waited three years for a ban and they hunts would have got through 18,000 as natural wastage.

If anyone can dispute those statistic I'd gladly listen, but that's what I've managed to find out from my research.