jonogulls said:
Oh bugger it go on then.
XooX said:Do I post or don't I
A couple of points, firstly almost every time I've ever worked the footy in the last 4 years It's been a cancelled rest day so the myth that we are coining it in on double bubble or even time and a third is bollocks quite frankly. It isn't costing the taxpayer stuff all to cancel my rest days and make me miss the game stood like a lemon watching pissed up nobbers at the Station act like wankers.
Secondly, not every game is heavily policed some at the Albion are even police free. And if it all kicked off and you got assaulted and there were no police guess who would get it in the neck?
Every force does things their own way. I must admit many don't do things how I would like but Sussex on the whole are not too bad.
Unfortunately for most people it only takes one bad experience with the police to taint their whole perception, usually for ever. Fortunately there are enough of us out there who care and are passionate about the job we do who actively try and give the people we deal with a positive impression of the Police. Every person who I deal with that can go away with a better feeling for the Old Bill is a success in my opinion.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not perfect, sometimes I f*** up, sometimes after working a 14 hour shift i'm tired and irritable, sometimes I'm rude to people or don't deal with them quite how they would like, sometimes I ignore people and sometimes I don't get to investigate an assault for 4 days because a 3 year old kid has gone missing or I'm busy trying to update the 20 other ongoing investigations that have been allocated to me. But hey thats my job and I get on with it and take all the shit and criticism with a smile and thick skin. And guess what? Some of us even have a brain bigger than a pea and come complete with O levels, A Levels and degrees!! we can even say big words with more than 2 syllables!
As for being a hypocritical spineless wanker, I would happily meet any person who really believes that of all police officers and see it as a challenge to change their mind on both counts. One thing coppers I work with can never be accused of is being spineless.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion though and if that is your viewpoint then fine i can live with that and get it much worse from people face to face every day.
jonogulls said:
jonogulls said:This thread isn't supposed to turn into a OB love-in
Fair play for replying XooX, you may be the second policeman I have come across who seems half decent. Can I just ask why the police spend an improportinate amount of time and money on football day-outs (last game I got to was Crewe - I counted 25 cops IN THE GROUND, like there's any trouble between our clubs!) and then do f*** all on the real yobs out there? Why are we paying for 50 cops to 'spot' in the World Cup (ie watch the games) when you get beat up for walking down the street? Why do police wade in at MANY grounds I have been to across the country to actually kick people out for standing up etc? It's because (as I have been told by my local force), they get time and a third on a matchday and can just stand around doing f*** all, watching the game and perhaps wading in with their batons to beat the shit out of people whenever they can be bothered.
At the end of the day, compared to 10/20 years ago, you lot have lost a massive amount of respect because the police have become more interested in traffic offences, political correctness (and I don't read the Daily Mail) and kicking people out of football grounds for minor offences. And then, most of you get pissed up at night and drive home half leathered without any consequences (again this is something I have seen with my own eyes).
Though I do like you.
(That'll be me embracing diversity!)XooX said:I haven't got all the answers mate but much of your dissaffection with the Old Bill is political at both local and national level from what I can see. I have no idea or interest for that matter who approves and authorises how many of us there are at any given match, all I know is that each match is individually risk assessed and then given a category A, B or C depending on the level of risk. The police turnout is reflected in the category allocated for that match.
The 50 cops (more like 100 actually, lucky buggers) going to Germany are all existing Football Intelligence Officers or related roles from across the country and are already being paid to do that job so it isn't like they are being taken from other roles to go to Germany. I don't know who is funding it but wouldn;t be surprised if the Germans may be making a contribution to get them over there. Also as our domestic season is over I think it is good that they are being used for the job they actually do rather than spend the close season taking all their annual leave which is what most of them usually do since they cannot take it during the season.
What are we doing about the real yobs out there? As much as we can I assure you. Unfortunately we really are a thin blue line and there are thousands more yobs out there than police I'm afraid. I'm sure there are coppers out there that like a good ruck and to get stuck in with the baton any chance they get, in fact I know they are out there. I'm not going to be an apologist for the Police or anything we do, people need to get realistic and stop taking the moral high ground all the time, we are (contrary to popular belief) only human and as such have the same range of emotional and behavioral problems that you do. I know we should be above most of the bad practice and behaviour and far more than most people we generally are. Guess what though? Now and again like anybody else in any other job we take the piss out of people, occasionally we deliberately annoy people because we can, some people might get an extra dig in the ribs for being a cock and every now and again we might even get to arrest some crooks!!
With regards to respect, I don't think the police have lost any respect in the last 20 years, I believe society has lost respect in general for anybody in authority or in a position to tell them what to do. You only have to look at the Yob binge drinking culture we as nation have developed and the chavs and vicky pollards lining our streets, those streets that are awash with heroin, crack and coke. We haven't lost respect, people have lost the ability to understand what respect actually is. They are so far up their own arses thinking the world owes them a living and that they are entitled to do what the f*** they want and when the f*** they want to that they are blind to the fact that they are the root cause of the problems in the first place.
Classic examples of this are people that say we should be out catching murderers, rapists. burglars and paedos not targetting poor innocent motorists just going about their business. that'll be the innocent motorists causing accidents whilst gassing on their mobiles or jumping red lights. I mean if I was stopped in front of you at the traffic lights in my police car and somebody jumps the red light in front of us what do you expect me to do? To be honest, like most neighbourhood coppers I try to avoid traffic offences like the plague, most people just get a warning and let on their way, it's too much paperwork and bollocks to be worthwhile. It's the traffic coppers that issue the most tickets and stick people on for motoring offences, and guess what? They are traffic cops, it's their job!
I am ranting away aren't I? Oh well lastly, murderers, rapists. burglars and paedos generally don't just wander down the street carrying f*** off big signs around their necks saying, "NICK ME I JUST KILLED SOMEBODY", that's why we have CID depts. And for the record, in the last 3 years I have caught 0 murderers, 0 rapists, 3 burglars (in the act) and 1 Paedo.
And I love you too you big hunk
jonogulls said:
And die-hard Albion fan too so at least we have something in common!XooX said:Yep, just a bog standard front line PC
Most of us are OK mate, just a few nobbers that make us look like mugs. And the CPS obviously!!
jonogulls said:No, f*** off, I was angry before you started being all reasonable
Now I'm starting to think you're not all bad
You see, it's working! You'll have your application in to join Sussex Plod by the end of the night. 
XooX said:
My biggest laugh on match days?? Sending dozy away fans to Kemp town when they innocently say, "Is there any place in this town to drink without getting queered up?" or, "Are you really all gay in Brighton?" Always a winner when you see them tromping off to the Charles Street bar and then legging it out about 1 minute later!
