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[Higham Seagull Army]

This is a very important question.

Its CLEAR to evryone what they basicaly stand for. I believe people, and obviously im not saying 'natual Labour' supports are rasists, but the the partys that stand out for the anti-Euro vote a little like this:

Torys who are very anti-Europe will vote UKIP.
Centre Labour voters who are anti-Europe will vote UKIP
The very Left that are Anti-Europe will vote BNP.

Most of the UK wants out of the EU. This was a referndom of sorts. To dismiss the BNP is very worrying as a student of Histroy as this is what happen with the Nazis. There are big problmes that politions do not want to talk about. Imigration. Even thought (dispite what many on this forum think) is a MASSIVE problem within the UK. The numbers in this elections speak for themselves.

Why would someone on the far left vote for a party promoting fascism ?

 

[Buzzer]

Why would someone on the far left vote for a party promoting fascism ?

Because basically they are a racist socialist party. Defections between the far left and right is well documented

 

[Stoo82]

Why would someone on the far left vote for a party promoting fascism ?

The evidence is there. Labour down something like 8%, other mainstreem partys stated about the same - BNP up 3% as is the green and some others - this is where the labour vote has gone.

There is something called a left fasist too!! Its not just a right sided thing. The Nazi parts are soicalist too.

In very simple terms, the meaning of socialism is undemacratic, they dont represent the majority, they represent the minority. Im not saying Labour are Undemocratic, but by and large the far left, the very very soicalist if you like are fasists. Much like the Socialist Labour Party. I was shocked when i saw a thread on them a few days ago and people where not slagging them of as fasicts.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Surely the far left who are anti Europe would have voted no2eu

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Calm down dear, it's only the european elections. Traditional home of the protest vote. Won't mean a thing come the general election.

 

[Stoo82]

Surely the far left who are anti Europe would have voted no2eu

OK.

So, who is voteing the BNP in up north then. The Torys nationaly were up 1%, the Lib Dems were down 1% (i think), Labour were down 8% and then BNP up 3%.

Do the maths. No one is deserting the torys or the Lib dems. Only Labour.

 

[Higham Seagull Army]

Because basically they are a racist socialist party. Defections between the far left and right is well documented

Would griffin and his cohorts call themselves socialists ? national socialists possibly with a very different political viewpoint to traditional Marxist ideaology.

 

[cannedheat]

This is the beggining of the end of the BNP, so enjoy your time in the sun, as when your half brained uneducated, incoherent MEPS open thier mouths etc you will be the laughing stock you deserve to be.............and i for one cant wait. This was a bad result for the BNP as now you will have to engage in mainstream politics something your policies make impossible , you truly are between a rock and a hard place. Incidentally why would the BNP want to have MEP's at all when they dont believe in the very insituition they are serving in !!

Have a single malt a wank and go to bed, you are on the verge of a breakdown.

 

[Stoo82]

Calm down dear, it's only the european elections. Traditional home of the protest vote. Won't mean a thing come the general election.

I agree to s certon exstent. Also with PR it allowed the BNP to get a voice.

But, in a Gernal Election, no one is saying the BNP will WIN the election, but they may well get 2 or 3 MPs. Hopefuly none.

This is very dangeous. If the BNP concentrate their vote in say Bansley or Olhdam where they won, they may well win in the GE.

We cannot just dismiss these people. If they do get an MP, they will then have MEPs and an MP and a couniler and a county counerler - will you start to listern then? They are a growing force and are very pacitent - do not underesterate them. They are going to get alot more money now they have 2 MEPs, making them more powerful. They clearly have nearly 1 million people prpard to vote for them.

 

[Buzzer]

Would griffin and his cohorts call themselves socialists ? national socialists possibly with a very different political viewpoint to traditional Marxist ideaology.

They would if national socialism didn't have unfortunate but apt connotations. I really believe that. Their policies are essentially hardline socialist with central planning and large scale nationalisation the order of the day. In fact, Griffin would probably fit in quite well in a cold war Kremlin. His anti-semitism would go down a storm at their Christmas parties.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with your last statement but as I'm always told by people when I lazily denounce socialism and all its faults that there's as many types of socialism as there are socialists.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Surely a ban for starting a thread about another user

you brown nosed creep !!!

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

Where is London Irish when you need a succint political explanation? ;-)

 

[Higham Seagull Army]

The evidence is there. Labour down something like 8%, other mainstreem partys stated about the same - BNP up 3% as is the green and some others - this is where the labour vote has gone.

There is something called a left fasist too!! Its not just a right sided thing. The Nazi parts are soicalist too.

In very simple terms, the meaning of socialism is undemacratic, they dont represent the majority, they represent the minority. Im not saying Labour are Undemocratic, but by and large the far left, the very very soicalist if you like are fasists. Much like the Socialist Labour Party. I was shocked when i saw a thread on them a few days ago and people where not slagging them of as fasicts.

Im not sure whats worse your political understanding of socialism or your spelling.

 

[Dandyman]

Because basically they are a racist socialist party. Defections between the far left and right is well documented

Much as I respect your sartorial elegance and MILF hunting prowess, that is utter cack.

 

[Buzzer]

Much as I respect your sartorial elegance and MILF hunting prowess, that is utter cack.

Which bit? Our very own CG defected from left to right. That geezer Tomlinson did the opposite.

Or is it the racist socialist party bit? Arguable, I agree but I've read the manifesto and nationalism apart there's not a lot but the bits that are there are all socialist as far as I can see.

I did say later that there's socialism and then there's socialism, matey and I'm not aligning yours with theirs.

By the way a couple of things. Best place to get a tootal scarf? Where do you recommend?

Secondly I've got a Full Circle raincoat TO DIE FOR. You'd like.

 

[Dandyman]

They would if national socialism didn't have unfortunate but apt connotations. I really believe that. Their policies are essentially hardline socialist with central planning and large scale nationalisation the order of the day. In fact, Griffin would probably fit in quite well in a cold war Kremlin. His anti-semitism would go down a storm at their Christmas parties.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with your last statement but as I'm always told by people when I lazily denounce socialism and all its faults that there's as many types of socialism as there are socialists.

The German National Socialist Workers Party were brought to power by German industrialists and bankers. They were overwhelmingly rejected by the German working class at the last free elections before 1933.

Griffin's origins lie with the Monday Club. Socialism if it is about anything is about the international unity of working people and the belief that working people should be charge of their own destinies. From Mussolini to Pinochet via Franco, every fascist dictatorship has seen landowners, the Church, big business and finance milk working people.

Stalin was a rabid anti-semite which is part of the reason why the Polish and Hungarian parties suffered at his hands.

 

[Dandyman]

Which bit? Our very own CG defected from left to right. That geezer Tomlinson did the opposite.

Or is it the racist socialist party bit? Arguable, I agree but I've read the manifesto and nationalism apart there's not a lot but the bits that are there are all socialist as far as I can see.

I did say later that there's socialism and then there's socialism, matey and I'm not aligning yours with theirs.

By the way a couple of things. Best place to get a tootal scarf? Where do you recommend?

Secondly I've got a Full Circle raincoat TO DIE FOR. You'd like.

Tootal - try either Stuarts of London or J.Simons (2 Russell St WC2). The latter is run by the people that ran the original Ivy League shop in Richmond.

 

[Buzzer]

But BNP's called for large scale nationalisation of the banking sector (not just ownership but control), the control of pay over many industries and it calls for a very centrally planned economy. Admittedly it also has huge leanings to fascism and the cult of personality but then so does Castro.

The Monday Club, I think was bound to attract any keen young racist in the 60s to the 80s but he was he ever a member? (genuine question as he got involved with the other far right parties quite soon into his adulthood). Granted, his old man was an old school racist tory and I genunely doubt his socialist credentials (but then again I question Tony Blair's too).

I can't see industrialists, the church or the bankers supporting this BNP (landowners might be a different matter) and the proof of that is where they are getting their support. The Stokes, The Burnleys, the Barnsleys. This is a working class party through and through. Sickening I know, especially considering that the same class saw them off in Cable Street all those years ago.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Calm down dear, it's only the european elections. Traditional home of the protest vote. Won't mean a thing come the general election.

Sorry, but I don't think almost a million people voting BNP should be treated with such a flippant remark.

 

[Higham Seagull Army]

But BNP's called for large scale nationalisation of the banking sector (not just ownership but control), the control of pay over many industries and it calls for a very centrally planned economy. Admittedly it also has huge leanings to fascism and the cult of personality but then so does Castro.

The Monday Club, I think was bound to attract any keen young racist in the 60s to the 80s but he was he ever a member? (genuine question as he got involved with the other far right parties quite soon into his adulthood). Granted, his old man was an old school racist tory and I genunely doubt his socialist credentials (but then again I question Tony Blair's too).

I can't see industrialists, the church or the bankers supporting this BNP (landowners might be a different matter) and the proof of that is where they are getting their support. The Stokes, The Burnleys, the Barnsleys. This is a working class party through and through. Sickening I know, especially considering that the same class saw them off in Cable Street all those years ago.

And we will see them off again.