Europe: In or Out

[dangull]

Just driving today doing a delivery next to road works, I did notice the workers talking together in an eastern European language.

It does beg the question, can the local population unemployed not do this job?

Why do we have to bring in people from Warsaw, Budapest , Smolensk, to fix our roads

 

[Hampster Gull]

I would take that with a pinch of salt , leafy Sussex with its fingers on the pulse of multicultural Britain .................
regards
DR

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[crookie]

You're right there is one single Tory MP. My point still stands that they voted in a single Tory MP but they are governed by a Tory government.

You know full well there is a Labour and Liberal Mp as well !! And you know also that the SNP have a 55% approx support that gives them nearly all the mp's. Would they get that level of support in an independence from the EU referendum ? who knows

 

[grawhite]

Out
Europe would be the biggest losers. We waste billions a year to stay in a system that doesn't help us, apart from bleed us dry of money.
When the european court can over rule our supreme court when it has **** all to do with them, like the human rights act...

 

[pastafarian]

Just driving today doing a delivery next to road works, I did notice the workers talking together in an eastern European language.

It does beg the question, can the local population unemployed not do this job?

Why do we have to bring in people from Warsaw, Budapest , Smolensk, to fix our roads

We dont have to

but lower wages = higher profits
its the EU way,a slick oiled gravy train for the benefit of the worst excesses of capitalism.

its why real socialists hate it and why the champagne socialist brigade embrace it at every turn

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If, after a Brexit, Scotland wants a vote on whether to break up the United Kingdom, there should definitely be a vote on it; as it would involve breaking up the UK, the whole of the UK will of course have to have a democratic vote on it..........................................................

This is the sort of arrogance which will drive them away.

 

[sir albion]

Out
Europe would be the biggest losers. We waste billions a year to stay in a system that doesn't help us, apart from bleed us dry of money.
When the european court can over rule our supreme court when it has **** all to do with them, like the human rights act...

We're just puppets that are getting rinsed and shafted and yet you have plonkers that actually think staying in would be great.
Can you imagine how bad things will get if we vote to remain in?
They will destroy our sovereignty and the commonwealth and destroy what is great about our country and not to mention we won't be abled to restrict any migrants flocking in like Germany have.It will be open to everyone.

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

This is the sort of arrogance which will drive them away.

How so?

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

Out
Europe would be the biggest losers. We waste billions a year to stay in a system that doesn't help us, apart from bleed us dry of money.
When the european court can over rule our supreme court when it has **** all to do with them, like the human rights act...

Whilst I appreciate your sentiment in wanting to control our destiny, particularly with the current refugee situation which puts Britain in an awful position, I think you're misunderstanding what happens with regards to the HRA. In actuality, it was only introduced in order to put into place the European Convention of Human Rights. Without being a part of the EU, we probably wouldn't even have a HRA.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

How so?

The poster was suggesting England should have a say in Scotland's future. It's this sort of ugly arrogance which will force them away.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

we won't be abled to restrict any migrants flocking in like Germany have.It will be open to everyone.

You're ignorance is unbelievable. for the umpteenth time you can only travel freely with a passport. Migrants don't get passports.

 

[Beach Hut]

You're ignorance is unbelievable. for the umpteenth time you can only travel freely with a passport. Migrants don't get passports.

It beggars belief how much crap is written that people actually believe to be true these days.

 

[The Clamp]

We dont have to

but lower wages = higher profits
its the EU way,a slick oiled gravy train for the benefit of the worst excesses of capitalism.

its why real socialists hate it and why the champagne socialist brigade embrace it at every turn

Cannot help but agree. I genuinely like the idea of a Union with other nations. It, by this point in the 21st century, should and could be a brilliant system that gives more than it takes, allows individual member countries to retain decision making powers and identity and most importantly the right to say who can and can't enter their nation.

Instead, what could be this brilliant aid to mankind has, as usual, been populated at the highest leves by money grubbing profiteers who will happily see Europe go down the pan as it is turned over to the lowest dregs of foreign criminals whose way of life is incompatible with our own. All to turn a profit and feather their own nests.

This current situation cannot be maintained, the EU is not what it says it is and for that reason, I'm out. I have massive reservations, and it wouldn't be an easy decision but the way I see it, it's like leaving a lover who is mental, drains your money and treats you like shite but is great in bed and fit as ****. It will be a hard, messy break up, you'll lose some benefits and probably some friends but ultimately you'll be rid afa crazy bitch. Let's take the risk and get out. We did okay before. At the very least we won't be so clogged up with Poles and Albanians and we can start giving British jobs back to British people.

 

[GT49er]

The poster was suggesting England should have a say in Scotland's future. It's this sort of ugly arrogance which will force them away.

So, England should have no say in the future of the UK? I know you are fanatically pro-Europe, so naturally I (usually politely) disagree with all you say - but your derogatory use of the words 'ugly arrogance' is complete bollocks.
I do, however, regard it as satisfactory progress for the 'out' campaign when 'In' fanatics start throwing gratuitous insults about.

 

[portslade seagull]

I can't say when speaking to people generally over this issue that any have wanted to stay in and that covers all political parties with the main issue immigration. This will override all other argument's within the in/out debate and that is why Cameron is trying his hardest to get some agreement with other EU leaders

 

[sussex_guy2k2]

The poster was suggesting England should have a say in Scotland's future. It's this sort of ugly arrogance which will force them away.

If you're in a relationship and your partner tells you they want to consider a split, but you have no say in it, that it's their decision solely, who's really the arrogant person in that scenario?

Is it you, who's blindly supported your restless partner despite giving them much more than they give you in return? Or is it your partner who, despite not giving that much to your relationship, feels that they have the power to dictate whether or not you stay together?

I'm with the other guy. If they want to vote on whether to stay, then fair enough. But we should then be given the vote after about whether we want them to stay.

 

[beorhthelm]

The poster was suggesting England should have a say in Scotland's future. It's this sort of ugly arrogance which will force them away.

er... isnt that part of being in a union? im not sure if you're trolling or honestly hold this view, if the latter its no wonder many pro Europeans dont understand the animosity towards the project. as we see in the EU, swap England for EU and Scotland for the UK and theres the problem, especially the arogance shown from EU to member states.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

er... isnt that part of being in a union?

Yes. But if you're holding a referendum to exit a union you clearly can't involve the other party/parties. Would you expect the 27 other EU member states to vote in the forth coming UK referendum?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If you're in a relationship and your partner tells you they want to consider a split, but you have no say in it, that it's their decision solely, who's really the arrogant person in that scenario?

Im really not sure what you're trying to say here.

 

[beorhthelm]

Yes. But if you're holding a referendum to exit a union you clearly can't involve the other party/parties. Would you expect the 27 other EU member states to vote in the forth coming UK referendum?

they have a view maybe it would be a good idea to express it. however that wasnt the point, it was that suggesting England should have a say in Scotland future is arrogant, when it is a fact and defining part of a union. thats why Scotland nationalist want to leave, and many in England may have a view that supports them. this problem is a small scale version of the core problem of EU, which we'll see in the coming decade as people realise its not such a great project.