[Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

[sydney]

**** me ....here we go again ....what a buch of *****.

 

[birthofanorange]

**** me ....here we go again ....what a buch of *****.

Something troubling you?

 

[sydney]

Something troubling you?

same shit different thread...!!

 

[rippleman]

I'll ask a simple, straight-forward question; if people want Brexit so much, why did 12million people not bother to vote for it this time round?

And if I may, I would also like to ask a simple, straight-forward question; if people DIDN'T want Brexit, why did 13 million people not bother to vote against it in 2016?

 

[birthofanorange]

And if I may, I would also like to ask a simple, straight-forward question; if people DIDN'T want Brexit, why did 13 million people not bother to vote against it in 2016?

Fair question, but that was 3 years ago. The mood *may* have changed, and it's not too late to double-check, is it?

 

[rippleman]

No, I won't. Not because I would have any concerns about the result, but because nobody has any right to demand that the vote we had be rerun. It was said that it would be respected. Before hand and immediately afterwards. It's a matter of principle. It's not about the courage of my convictions, it's about you (and others) living up to and honouring what it means to take part in a vote. Win or lose you accept the result. Demanding a rerun because you lost is dishonourable, no chance I will accept that, and little chance you would accept the result anyway. Why would you if you couldn't accept it the first time around. It's done.

If Remain had won the referendum in 2016 I would have accepted it and moved on with my life.

I most certainly would not have thrown an almighty strop, started screaming "Not Fair" and demanding we do it all over again.

Some you win. Some you lose.

 

[rippleman]

Fair question, but that was 3 years ago. The mood *may* have changed, and it's not too late to double-check, is it?

Will we have a referendum to "double check" every 3 years then in case the mood *may* have changed? Not sure you can run politics on that basis; seems a little impractical don't you think?

 

[Mellotron]

And if I may, I would also like to ask a simple, straight-forward question; if people DIDN'T want Brexit, why did 13 million people not bother to vote against it in 2016?

Totally fair question, and I agree. I think a very soft Brexit would be the fairest compromise.

 

[Bold Seagull]

If Remain had won the referendum in 2016 I would have accepted it and moved on with my life.

I most certainly would not have thrown an almighty strop, started screaming "Not Fair" and demanding we do it all over again.

Some you win. Some you lose.

This is true, but it's a bit like paying to enter a competition to win a tropical beach holiday, you win, but now it might be a different holiday altogether. In fact, you have no idea what type of holiday, could be trekking across Iceland, camping, skiing, beach, they just don't know, but you only entered because you wanted the beach holiday...

 

[birthofanorange]

Will we have a referendum to "double check" every 3 years then in case the mood *may* have changed? Not sure you can run politics on that basis; seems a little impractical don't you think?

No need for that, as the first one was run in a simple 'Janet and John' style 'In/Out'. Clearly, 'Out' hasn't proved to be as straightforward as it was purported to be, and more people than back in 2016 are aware of the potential implications.

It's of such importance to everyone (be they Remain or Leave) in the country, that it is certainly worth looking at again. Anything else would be foolhardy at best.

Besides, Leave are sure that it's still the 'Will of the people', so it seems to be the only way to put this one to bed. What's to lose?

 

[Publius Ovidius]

I would say Brexit's vote completely collapsing is fairly surprising, perhaps you expected it more than I did?

I certainly know people who voted out in the referendum and have changed their mind when the apparent reality set in. Our company is a perfect example of that.

 

[Baker lite]

Even if you believe you're own lies, there is still no mandate for WTO Brexit no matter how you dress it up

Unless of course the EU get fed up with us and refuse to offer any further extension, that’s not going to happen, however, the next leader of the Tory Party won’t necessarily capitulate like May kept on doing.
The two party system has been rocked to it’s foundation by May’s inability to pursue a credible deal, She just sat back and let vermin like Robbins take the piss.
I interesting summer ahead.


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[Behind Enemy Lines]

Unless of course the EU get fed up with us and refuse to offer any further extension, that’s not going to happen, however, the next leader of the Tory Party won’t necessarily capitulate like May kept on doing.
The two party system has been rocked to it’s foundation by May’s inability to pursue a credible deal, She just sat back and let vermin like Robbins take the piss.
I interesting summer ahead.


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" Vermin like Robbins" ? That's the language of hate and extremism which has no place in our political discourse, nor on this board.

 

[Baker lite]

Not long now till the Peterborough bye-election to replace that Labour crook.Should be interesting,and we will see if the Brexit Party results are duplicated in a Parliamentary election.

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This will be a fascinating insight into the current mood, Peterborough is a Leave voting constituency that elected a member of Parliament standing on a Leave manifesto, this is a town out side of the champagne socialist bubble of London.
I strongly believe that Corbyn will nail his colours to a particular mast after this election.


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[Notters]

Because it wasn't a referendum on leaving. When we had one of those, they did vote. To leave. It's pretty stunning that you want to ignore how they voted when the question was asked, but you hold up their not voting when the question wasn't asked as being important evidence of something.

The article doesn't just focus on Labour target seats, it disucsses the wider story, it just uses those as an illustration.

Talk about seeing what you want to see.

Not an answer to your comment, but a thought. Sorry if this comes out garbled as im a bit ill.
You're of course correct that there was a clear vote to leave on 23rd June 2016. The polls over many years suggest that people's opinions change on the matter on a daily basis. As such in an (obviously theoretical) situation whereby you had had a vote every month for the last five years, you would no doubt have had some occasions with a leave majority and some with a remain one (not sure anyone will argue with this?)

It is for this reason that for a change to the status quo to occur there really should need to be either a higher margin required for such a change to take place (as I believe should have been the case - but the reason it wasn't is because it was advisory) or a series of votes proposed.

 

[Baker lite]

" Vermin like Robbins" ? That's the language of hate and extremism which has no place in our political discourse, nor on this board.

Stop it, just stop it now, for the love of Mary.


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[dingodan]

Not an answer to your comment, but a thought. Sorry if this comes out garbled as im a bit ill.
You're of course correct that there was a clear vote to leave on 23rd June 2016. The polls over many years suggest that people's opinions change on the matter on a daily basis. As such in an (obviously theoretical) situation whereby you had had a vote every month for the last five years, you would no doubt have had some occasions with a leave majority and some with a remain one (not sure anyone will argue with this?)

It is for this reason that for a change to the status quo to occur there really should need to be either a higher margin required for such a change to take place (as I believe should have been the case - but the reason it wasn't is because it was advisory) or a series of votes proposed.

“Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’, not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide.

“At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes. And it will be the final decision.

“When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.”

- David Cameron.

/Discussion.

 

[Notters]

“Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’, not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide.

“At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes. And it will be the final decision.

“When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.”

- David Cameron.

/Discussion.

No not /Discussion because my point still stands. Whatever that utter spanner said.

 

[birthofanorange]

“Your decision. Nobody else’s. Not politicians’, not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’. Not mine. Just you. You, the British people, will decide.

“At that moment, you will hold this country’s destiny in your hands. This is a huge decision for our country, perhaps the biggest we will make in our lifetimes. And it will be the final decision.

“When the British people speak, their voice will be respected, not ignored. If we vote to leave, then we will leave. There will not be another renegotiation and another referendum.”

- David Cameron.

/Discussion.

Just another politician who promised something that didn't materialise. Nothing new there - he wasn't the first and by no mean will be the last. Hell, even the 'man of the people' Farridge wanted a deal, to start with, now he wants No Deal.

The mood has changed. Possibly. Let's find out.

 

[dingodan]

No not /Discussion because my point still stands. Whatever that utter spanner said.

Everyone who voted, whether they voted leave or remain, voted on this basis.