duncan fletcher to step down

[newhaven seagull 85]

radio 5 have just said that they believe duncan fletcher is to step down as england coach and Peter Moores is to replace him on an interim basis

 

[TSB]

Correct.

 

[tedebear]

Shame - its not the manager with the problems.

 

[The Clown of Pevensey Bay]

LARDY ZIMBO CLOWN OUT

 

[pasty]

BBC Website

 

[sten_super]

Shame - its not the manager with the problems.

I think he is one of the problems.

Good coach, absolutely. He performed wonders transforming the test side. But as soon as the test results started to slip (which they have) the pressure was going to be on him because of the atrocious record in one day cricket.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Shame - its not the manager with the problems.

He did a good job, but was living off past victories. To point blankly refuse to budge on his predictable selections in the ODI arena, when half the team are not up to it or batting in the wrong place, sealed his fate. Graveney should go as well.

Thanks for everything you did to turn the Test team around, but

 

[Pavilionaire]

It is time for him to go, he probably should have gone after the Ashes but you can't blame him for hanging around 'til the World Cup.

These are certainly heady times - having a Sussex man in charge of England, Sussex champions and already having made a good start vs Kent.

If Moores gets the gig will this mean Prior in as keeper?

Interesting stuff.

 

[tedebear]

I think he is one of the problems.

Good coach, absolutely. He performed wonders transforming the test side. But as soon as the test results started to slip (which they have) the pressure was going to be on him because of the atrocious record in one day cricket.

Possibly - but I think its more to do with the fact that the top order can't bat for toffee at the moment in the one dayers, I don't think thats his fault - the entire team needs a shake up and a serious injection of concentration skills and a good old kick up the rear endus!!

 

[pasty]

If Moores gets the gig will this mean Prior in as keeper?

Bloody hope not. Don't want him off on England duty when he should be playing for the REIGNING DOUBLE CHAMPIONS

 

[Pavilionaire]

I like Boycott's idea of Gatting as Chairman Of Selectors. Graveney also needs to go.

 

[Brixtaan]

He can take half the team with him.Freddie stays but should bat at 10 from now on seeing as he's a specialist bowler.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Moores will almost certainly be offered the job on a permanent basis. I've got a bad feeling we might lose a couple of players to the one day side (once Yards is fit) and maybe even our coach to the Academy.

 

[sten_super]

Possibly - but I think its more to do with the fact that the top order can't bat for toffee at the moment in the one dayers, I don't think thats his fault - the entire team needs a shake up and a serious injection of concentration skills and a good old kick up the rear endus!!

But what has he done to address the fact that the top order weren't batting well? For starters, the instructions to treat ODIs in 'the old fashioned way' of starting slowly and keeping wickets in hand must have come from him; and it's been shown in this competition that you simply can't play ODIs that way anymore. Then when the tournament started he pretty much stuck his head in the sand and hoped that the batsmen would sort themselves out and it would magically come together.

 

[tedebear]

But what has he done to address the fact that the top order weren't batting well? For starters, the instructions to treat ODIs in 'the old fashioned way' of starting slowly and keeping wickets in hand must have come from him; and it's been shown in this competition that you simply can't play ODIs that way anymore. Then when the tournament started he pretty much stuck his head in the sand and hoped that the batsmen would sort themselves out and it would magically come together.

I think its more a selection problem than anything else, very few of the current ODI team should be there in my opinion....

I don't know what instructions he's handing down, but I'd hate for a manager to be replaced simply as his team aren't performing, if it was because he was making stupid decisions then I agree - he'd have to go. If England were at the top of the table at the moment, this wouldn't be even contemplated. Are England out of the series due to manager error or player non-performance? Its debateable but I reckon its the later...

 

[Gritt23]

I think this was always likely from the way the Ashes defence began. He was squarely to blame for the selection madness, and was at least partly to blame for Fredalo being made captain.

From there on it got worse and worse. 5-0 was always going to have severe ramifications, and it left us relying on our ODI form to save him ..... not something you'd want you career to be relying on.

The stubborness we've shown throughout this World Cup, when it was clear what we were doing was not working finally sealed his fate.

He's been tremendous over the course of his time in charge, but the last 7-8 months has been unbelievably poor.

I hope he's remembered as a top coach as that is largely what he's been for us. It would be a shame if what has happened since September is how he's remembered.

Thanks Duncan, it has mostly been very very good.

 

[sten_super]

I think its more a selection problem than anything else, very few of the current ODI team should be there in my opinion....

Agreed. But he's on the selection committee I think (along with Graveney, Vaughan and I don't know who else), so has to carry some of the can for that.

I don't know what instructions he's handing down,
[/B]

I'd be extremely worried if he wasn't the one deciding how the team should play, that would be even more serious grounds for getting rid.

but I'd hate for a manager to be replaced simply as his team aren't performing, if it was because he was making stupid decisions then I agree - he'd have to go.
[/B]

But if the team is perenially underperforming that would point to a deficiency with the coaching at some level. It's just a question of where (or rather when) you draw the line.

If England were at the top of the table at the moment, this wouldn't be even contemplated.
[/B]

Of course. That's like saying if Brighton had won all of the games they played last season, Mark McGhee would still be the manager. If the team performs well, the manager stays.

Are England out of the series due to manager error or player non-performance? Its debatable but I reckon its the later...
[/B]

I think it's both. As I originally said, I think Fletcher is one of the problems. I think Graveney should go, along with whoever else is on the selection committee as well. The whole lack of preparation time and then adequate practice, and the selection of the wrong players, has been a shambles. Everyone should carry the can, as everyone has made mistakes.

 

[Brixtaan]

Thanks Duncan, it has mostly been very very good.

We must be thinking of different Duncans.We only scraped the Ashes because of McGraths injury

 

[sten_super]

We must be thinking of different Duncans.We only scraped the Ashes because of McGraths injury

Do you not remember where we were before he took over?

How many other England coaches have 'scraped' an Ashes victory in the past 20 years?

 

[Brixtaan]

None.But then they didn't draft in top class South African batsmen to see off an ageing Australia.