[Misc] Conspiracy theories

[Weststander]

Well, I willl avoid them as best as I can from now on. Its apparently possible to discuss everyone and anyone except this particular family. They've done a good job.

Always Rothschild and Jewish tropes, very popular over the last century.

Uniquely from the right, left and now conspiracy theorists following the musings of shit stirrers.

 

[colinz]

Well, I willl avoid them as best as I can from now on. Its apparently possible to discuss everyone and anyone except this particular family. They've done a good job.

You've obviously had some kind of awakening. (nothing wrong with that) But don't you think over 4,300 posts in 17 months on North Stand Chat, makes you look a bit of a dick.

 

[Barham's tash]

I don't fully understand what the issue is here, unless I missed something?

Absolutely no disrespect towards R.E, family or anyone involved in 9/11. The event is massively curious, with many inconsistencies and questions raised.

It's a conspiracy theory thread, and 9/11 (not necessarily the entire event, but some major parts around it) must be one of the top 3 conspiracy-theories in our lifetime?

Seconded.

As if RE’s incredibly sad demise was in some way a key element of said potential conspiracy or that as GB implied that his acquaintances or family members would be not only reading this board but that they might peruse a thread on purpose with the aim of being reminded of said tragedy. Bizarre.

The truth will never out of course but if one cannot see the potential benefit to the military industrial complex in artificially creating the justification for expansionist foreign policy at a time when geopolitical stability had been, one could argue at its zenith, and therefore the aforementioned complex at risk of its nadir then its maybe time to start opening your eyes.

 

[Swansman]

You need to watch Hypernormalisation by Adam Curtis - should be available internationally on BBC iPlayer.

Read about it now, definitely going to check it out.

You've obviously had some kind of awakening. (nothing wrong with that) But don't you think over 4,300 posts in 17 months on North Stand Chat, makes you look a bit of a dick.

Plenty of things make me look a bit of a dick and I can live with that, I'm not mr Moral. The brilliant Unabomber would probably say that I was undersocialised in my infancy.

Also, 800 posts in eleven years... you should be ashamed, NSC deserves to be used a lot more.

 

[pastafarian]

I like your rule of 6.

The thing that interests me is that it appears to be an all or nothing situation with conspiracy theorists. You rarely see a conspiracy theorist who only believes one or two while dismissing others.

This suggests to me that there could be some defiency in their ability to understand and process the information they are presented with. Perhaps they are more suceptable to the persuasive information they find when they are 'doing their research". I wonder if their has been a study into the personality types and intellecual make up of those subscribing to these theories.

Another similarity in conspiracy theorists is to not actually share their conclusions freely. This seem prevelant with the COVID theories doing the rounds. I have/had a couple of 'friends' on facebook telling me that I should be opening my eyes to the truth of what is happening. They also seem very reluctant to actually tell me that that truth is. "Do your own research' or 'join the dots' is about as much as one gets.

Join the dots indeed fishy
All roads lead to…………………….
Where are Falmer and Rosa when you need them?

 

[Gabbafella]

I think I've mentioned on here before that I used to work with a flerther called Alex, and what an absolute rectal wart he was too. Always banging on about flat earth, 9/11, pyramids, fake moon landing because the moon is a hologram, etc. His tin foil hat collection must've been something to behold, he was a biscuit spitter of the highest order.
I also once worked with a girl called Chelsea who was convinced that the Illuminati was run by Beyoncé and Jay-Z!

 

[pastafarian]

May I humbly ad this one to the list.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNtr0RahRqM

How the presenters didn't call the men in white coats with their nice jacket that holds the arms in place I will never know

This is brilliant

"bird truthers"

 

[Stato]

A friend of mine who laps this stuff up lent me a book called 'Weird Scenes In Laurel Canyon' by David McGowan. This tried to argue that virtually everyone involved in rock music in California in the sixties was somehow involved in a covert conspiracy to create and then for some inexplicable reason, destroy the counterculture. David Crosby, Frank Zappa, Arthur Lee, Jim Morrison, Carole King, you name them, were all portrayed as being secretly involved in an unexplained plot to become famous and act upon the behalf of the shadowy intelligence services. The main suspicions outlined seemed to be that quite a few of them had parents who worked in the military. These are people born during the second world war! You'd be hard pushed to find anyone born then who didn't have military connections in the family. I absolutely loathed the book for its shoddy research, leaps of logic, blatant cherry picking of evidence and confirmation bias. I finished it because I was somehow enjoying hating it so much.

Being a bit of a music buff, I had read previous books covering some of these people, Johnny Rogan's 'Timeless Flight' (that, who knows, [MENTION=585]Kylies Stunt Arse[/MENTION] might give back to me one day), Barney Hoskyns' book about Arthur Lee, Tom Wolfe's 'Electric Kool Aid Acid Dream, etc. Having some knowledge of the real events put me in a similar position to reading a newspaper article about something that you have personal knowledge of (virtually anything written nationally about the Albion during the war years for instance). You can never quite believe how the writer ended up getting everything so wrong. The internet stretches this communication breakdown and misinterpretation to Babelesque proportions, given that so many are writing from a pre-formed viewpoint and are intent on picking out the evidence that supports their view and dismissing or debunking everything else.

It has left me a bit fascinated with the psychology of, lets admit it, most of us, who will do any twists and turns of logic to support the viewpoint that we generally made a gut decision upon before looking at any evidence. One interesting avenue for looking at this kind of psychology has been the endless books that claim to name Jack The Ripper, so many of which start with a suspect that they fancy and then go looking for anything to back up their chosen theory. 'Withnail & I' author Bruce Robinson is responsible for one of the maddest, and Patricia Cornwall for one of the most arrogant and deceitful/self deceiving.

This kind of reading has given me, a wishy-washy arts graduate, a new found respect for the scientific method: If you have a theory, don't look for evidence to support it, like you would if you were writing a literature essay, test it and test it and test it, accepting it only if you really can't disprove it. It's a shame that so much of our public policy is based on ideology, rather than this approach.

 

[Albion Dan]

https://youtu.be/ISTajZAmyKM

 

[Albion Dan]

Not sure this counts as conspiracy but a mindblowing theory is we are all basically living in a computer simulation. Certainly a theory increasingly considered possible by some of the greatest minds on this planet.

https://youtu.be/4ayKGypTtAI

https://youtu.be/2KK_kzrJPS8

Then if you start to understand that the code behind our dna, all nature, and the universe is bonded by the same golden ratio mathematical equation everything we understand as real starts to get pretty weird. like is a simulation we exist in based entirely on this mathematical equation?

https://youtu.be/c8ccsE_IumM

Then we have quantum theory showing that there are parallel worlds and time lines in which many different versions of our reality exist.

https://youtu.be/kTXTPe3wahc

Anyway who knows? I'd like to believe there is an alternative reality where we beat West Brom.

Ultimately I think when you consider all of the science demonstrated above you'd be pretty narrow minded and actually down right foolish to think some of simple conspiracies in comparison above are implausible. Keep those minds open people. [emoji23]

 

[BadFish]

A friend of mine who laps this stuff up lent me a book called 'Weird Scenes In Laurel Canyon' by David McGowan. This tried to argue that virtually everyone involved in rock music in California in the sixties was somehow involved in a covert conspiracy to create and then for some inexplicable reason, destroy the counterculture. David Crosby, Frank Zappa, Arthur Lee, Jim Morrison, Carole King, you name them, were all portrayed as being secretly involved in an unexplained plot to become famous and act upon the behalf of the shadowy intelligence services. The main suspicions outlined seemed to be that quite a few of them had parents who worked in the military. These are people born during the second world war! You'd be hard pushed to find anyone born then who didn't have military connections in the family. I absolutely loathed the book for its shoddy research, leaps of logic, blatant cherry picking of evidence and confirmation bias. I finished it because I was somehow enjoying hating it so much.

Being a bit of a music buff, I had read previous books covering some of these people, Johnny Rogan's 'Timeless Flight' (that, who knows, [MENTION=585]Kylies Stunt Arse[/MENTION] might give back to me one day), Barney Hoskyns' book about Arthur Lee, Tom Wolfe's 'Electric Kool Aid Acid Dream, etc. Having some knowledge of the real events put me in a similar position to reading a newspaper article about something that you have personal knowledge of (virtually anything written nationally about the Albion during the war years for instance). You can never quite believe how the writer ended up getting everything so wrong. The internet stretches this communication breakdown and misinterpretation to Babelesque proportions, given that so many are writing from a pre-formed viewpoint and are intent on picking out the evidence that supports their view and dismissing or debunking everything else.

It has left me a bit fascinated with the psychology of, lets admit it, most of us, who will do any twists and turns of logic to support the viewpoint that we generally made a gut decision upon before looking at any evidence. One interesting avenue for looking at this kind of psychology has been the endless books that claim to name Jack The Ripper, so many of which start with a suspect that they fancy and then go looking for anything to back up their chosen theory. 'Withnail & I' author Bruce Robinson is responsible for one of the maddest, and Patricia Cornwall for one of the most arrogant and deceitful/self deceiving.

This kind of reading has given me, a wishy-washy arts graduate, a new found respect for the scientific method: If you have a theory, don't look for evidence to support it, like you would if you were writing a literature essay, test it and test it and test it, accepting it only if you really can't disprove it. It's a shame that so much of our public policy is based on ideology, rather than this approach.

I downloaded that book about Laurel Canyon started it but didn't get far. It started out with me watching a doco about the Manic Street Preachers while working at home. Soon I found myself wathcing a 'documentary' about the strange circumstances surrounding Richie Edwards' disappearence. It started with some suspect police investigations (which is sister is still quite unhappy about) which seem fairly reasonsable but ended up with some rather out their theories about, firstly The Priory and then the use of rock stars by the CIA. Anyway that book was referenced a few times and I thought I might find it interesting.... turns out I didn't

I think you are on to something with your ideas about people research and they way they fit the evidence to their theory rather than vice versa. it one starts with the theory that everything is being controlled and manipulated by the Illuminati, Rothchilds, lizard people or whoever then it doesn't take too much logical gymnastics to get everything to look a little fishy. Rarely does a CT bring a fully thought out counter theory to the table. It is usually more about pointing out irregularities and coincidences that bring the accpeted theory into question. This is why we so often hear "do your own research" and "join the dots".

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Some things that are considered as true today started out as conspiracy theories in their time.

https://www.readersdigest.com.au/tr...nspiracy-theories-actually-turned-out-be-true

 

[Guinness Boy]

I don't fully understand what the issue is here, unless I missed something?

Absolutely no disrespect towards R.E, family or anyone involved in 9/11. The event is massively curious, with many inconsistencies and questions raised.

It's a conspiracy theory thread, and 9/11 (not necessarily the entire event, but some major parts around it) must be one of the top 3 conspiracy-theories in our lifetime?

[MENTION=1276]AZ Gull[/MENTION] has mostly answered that for me here.

Wait.....what?

So...some parts of 9/11 are genuine (ie Al-Qaeda flew two planes into the Twin Towers, say) but other parts are a conspiracy (the US Government or the CIA or someone just coincidentally demolished another tower, or flew a plane into the Pentagon, on the exact same date)?

By casting doubt on the Pentagon part, what you are actually saying is that the US Government were in on it and were primed and ready to destroy their own defence HQ in order to "prove" that the planes that flew into the towers were controlled by terrorists. Furthermore, that this perfectly sequenced own goal was carried out and since then, not one single whistle blower who was "in on it" has come forward. In other words, you are casting doubt on the whole event. And, yeah, if I was a relative of a victim, I'd find that pretty disgusting.

You seem to have either not read or not addressed why I feel like that, even though it's earlier on this thread so, again, here's the impact of the Shayler conspiracy on an actual 7/7 victim.

Rachel North, one of the 7/7 victims, wrote a blog about the bombing. She did it, partly as catharsis and partly because she was part of a support group. It was trolled. Here was an example of how, and its effect on her. Book quotes are in italics.

"what comes through again is their complete lack of empathy. They would, for example, cut and paste the most harrowing descriptions of emergency services officers of going into carriages................stepping over body parts and stepping over the crater on the floor. They'd post this and you couldn't read it without wanting to weep and then they would say 'Ah! See? The hole appears to be on the RIGHT hand side'."

But kudos to her, she decided to confront them at one of their meetings. She did this because they started a new conspiracy called "Rachel North doesn't exist".

"as she climbed the stairs she felt worried about what these ferocious Internet presences would be like. She imagined them to be physically menacing. ........(then she) opened the door and saw a room filled with quiet, small, nerdy looking men. Some were staring awkardley into their pints."

But the speaker of the night turned out to be Shaylor himself.

"He said 7/7 never happened. There were vigerous nods from the crowd. The world had been fooled by a brilliant lie. Rachel couldn't take it any longer. 'I was in the CARRIAGE'."

And if you and [MENTION=316]Albion Dan[/MENTION] think a mod shouldn't be picking you up on this nonsense, then I'd suggest you take issue with [MENTION=6886]Bozza[/MENTION] over his Baron-Cohen posts and report post #2 on this very thread. Let's see where that gets you.

 

[darkwolf666]

Some things that are considered as true today started out as conspiracy theories in their time.

https://www.readersdigest.com.au/tr...nspiracy-theories-actually-turned-out-be-true

Not sure half of those are really conspiracies, to be honest...

 

[The Wookiee]

12 pages in on a thread full of conspiracy theories and no mention of Southwick Tunnel

 

[Guinness Boy]

12 pages in on a thread full of conspiracy theories and no mention of Southwick Tunnel

That's the only one I believe

 

[Mellotron]

you miss out on a lot if you dont open your mind.

Conversely - open your mind too much and your brain falls out.

 

[GREASED WEASEL]

Sonny Liston taking a dive ?

 

[Eeyore]

12 pages in on a thread full of conspiracy theories and no mention of Southwick Tunnel

That's the one I'm not sure about. No-one has come out and denied it.

Although it could be the canteen for the workman who are constantly needed because of the shoddy design.

 

[beorhthelm]

Not sure this counts as conspiracy but a mindblowing theory is we are all basically living in a computer simulation. Certainly a theory increasingly considered possible by some of the greatest minds on this planet.

sounds like a could make a great film. i dont see those ideas as conspiracy theories, they are alternative science which are unprovable. they sell books but they dont better explain how anything works or make any advancements. then some conspiracist pop up and use them as proof of some nonsense, or that they are suppressed knowledge.