[Politics] Brexit

[GoldWithFalmer]

Intersting analysis. There are cheaper places to warehouse goods than the UK , as least whilst our living standards are as high as they are. Over time of course living standards could well erode (and a 10% fall in sterling is a 10% cut im our collective wealth) thst will make than an options

Depends how living standard is defined,merely focusing on an individuals wealth or material possession is one such indication of a standard of living,there are areas outside of the individuals home life and beyond the individuals controls that also have an direct and indirect impact too,staying in the EU will not ensure that standards are maintained any more than leaving will see them decline.

 

[Soulman]

Yes, you should give yourself a break

What and allow the Remoaners to keep on whining and ignoring the democratic vote, whilst trying to sneakily get another referendum. ...yeah Ok. Lol

 

[The Rivet]

What and allow the Remoaners to keep on whining and ignoring the democratic vote, whilst trying to sneakily get another referendum. ...yeah Ok. Lol

They will whine and they will moan endlessly. They are like rabid dogs with a bone.

Rabid being the word, I think.

 

[Hampster Gull]

What and allow the Remoaners to keep on whining and ignoring the democratic vote, whilst trying to sneakily get another referendum. ...yeah Ok. Lol

Someone on here pulled out some facts and it was the leavers who were the relentless moaners. Just saying

 

[The Rivet]

Someone on here pulled out some facts and it was the leavers who were the relentless moaners. Just saying

Maybe some readers should re-read the earlier arguments during the 'ref' campaign on this thread then. Just to balance things. Just saying.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

TBH after 3 months I am getting confused and tired of the bleating.

I agree with the confusion part of this. You seem to be complaining that a prominent Brexit economist is trying to frighten you. He's frightening me but you're supposed to agree with him.

 

[portslade seagull]

Can't believe this is still rumbling on. There is something new to worry about now and it's called Corbyn. He will cause more damage than Brexit ever could

 

[Hampster Gull]

Can't believe this is still rumbling on. There is something new to worry about now and it's called Corbyn. He will cause more damage than Brexit ever could

its a difficul one to call, they would both have really negative consequences. Lets hope we dont have both at the same time

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Can't believe this is still rumbling on. There is something new to worry about now and it's called Corbyn. He will cause more damage than Brexit ever could

I don't think so. He's unlikely to get power and even if he does it will only be for five years. The Brexit boys do have power and the effect could last for decades. Trump that.

 

[The Rivet]

Corbyn and the labour cause. Beautiful seismic f*** up. Long may it continue! Brexit, here and now in reality is the main political news. What ever form brexit eventually takes (after the riots and protests) it is with us all. Enjoy! Labour is now irrelevant in regard to political power.

 

[CheeseRolls]

Worth a quick read - A 19 point to do list.

http://jackofkent.com/2016/09/the-many-hurdles-of-brexit-a-short-summary-post/

Is this lot going to happen within the life of the current parliament?

 

[The Rivet]

Worth a quick read - A 19 point to do list.

http://jackofkent.com/2016/09/the-many-hurdles-of-brexit-a-short-summary-post/

Is this lot going to happen within the life of the current parliament?

The answer my friend is to act first and argue later about all those points.
Sometimes talking has to happen after acting. Reacting is sometimes better than procrastinating about the potential pit falls.
Fortune favours the brave. This country became rich on that premise over hundreds of years.
Have faith whether it takes one or three parliamentary terms. Fear not, Labour are dead and the only other threat to the tories is UKIP.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

The answer my friend is to act first and argue later about all those points.
Sometimes talking has to happen after acting. Reacting is sometimes better than procrastinating about the potential pit falls.
Fortune favours the brave. This country became rich on that premise over hundreds of years.
Have faith whether it takes one or three parliamentary terms. Fear not, Labour are dead and the only other threat to the tories is UKIP.

Bit difficult when the whole process requires talking with the other side.

 

[The Rivet]

Bit difficult when the whole process requires talking with the other side.

No it doesn't. Unless of course you want it to. I say do let them come after with THEM trying to rectify it.
If this union of ours had always consulted others we would not be the 5th largest economy in the world.

The Northern Irish are never going to vote for union with the south. Scotland is a financial basket case depending on the rest of us. Wales voted out.

 

[beorhthelm]

Worth a quick read - A 19 point to do list.

http://jackofkent.com/2016/09/the-many-hurdles-of-brexit-a-short-summary-post/

Is this lot going to happen within the life of the current parliament?

the link posits 19 items as "the main issues which need to be addressed for a Brexit to take place." when they aren't. most are questions about how Brexit woud be delivered, areas for negotiation, not hurdles for Brexit to occur. there are two real hurdles mentioned:

Hurdle One: Which domestic legal form? Act of Parliament or exercise of the Royal Prerogative?
Hurdle Six: What if the government is defeated in the House of Commons on Brexit?

the questions on Scotland/NI/Gibraltar are im afraid irrelevent if they want to remain in the United Kingdom, just as they have to follow foreign policy, defense policy, tax policy... so on. the question on House of Lords is irrelevent if the Commons passed an Act they wouldn't dare vote down something with a such a mandate.

the two hurdles above really are important though and it will be interesting to see how we get from here to invoking Article 50 without some parliamentry involvement, and whether or not MPs will veto the public.

 

[The Rivet]

the link posits 19 items as "the main issues which need to be addressed for a Brexit to take place." when they aren't. most are questions about how Brexit woud be delivered, areas for negotiation, not hurdles for Brexit to occur. there are two real hurdles mentioned:

Hurdle One: Which domestic legal form? Act of Parliament or exercise of the Royal Prerogative?
Hurdle Six: What if the government is defeated in the House of Commons on Brexit?

the questions on Scotland/NI/Gibraltar are im afraid irrelevent if they want to remain in the United Kingdom, just as they have to follow foreign policy, defense policy, tax policy... so on. the question on House of Lords is irrelevent if the Commons passed an Act they wouldn't dare vote down something with a such a mandate.

the two hurdles above really are important though and it will be interesting to see how we get from here to invoking Article 50 without some parliamentry involvement, and whether or not MPs will veto the public.

They should not and will not get two votes where the rest of us only get one. Civil wars have been started for that sort of thing. Democracy and all that.

 

[Mental Lental]

Looks like the lawyers are coming in....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...urt-block-article-50-referendum-a7335201.html

Basically it's "unconstitutional" for the government to make a decision as monumental as leaving the EU without having a vote in parliament. And even article 50 stipulates that "any member state may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements."

All the lawyers have to do is prove that it is "unconstitutional" for the government to activate article 50 without a parliamentary vote...

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Looks like the lawyers are coming in....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...urt-block-article-50-referendum-a7335201.html

Basically it's "unconstitutional" for the government to make a decision as monumental as leaving the EU without having a vote in parliament. And even article 50 stipulates that "any member state may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements."

All the lawyers have to do is prove that it is "unconstitutional" for the government to activate article 50 without a parliamentary vote...

Basically it's a lot of sore losers grasping at straws. This challenge has been known about for some time it's just the 'Independent' (such a poorly named paper) dressing up failure with false hope.

 

[nicko31]

Looks like the lawyers are coming in....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...urt-block-article-50-referendum-a7335201.html

Basically it's "unconstitutional" for the government to make a decision as monumental as leaving the EU without having a vote in parliament. And even article 50 stipulates that "any member state may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements."

All the lawyers have to do is prove that it is "unconstitutional" for the government to activate article 50 without a parliamentary vote...

Yes, technically right, MP's should have handled it in the first place, rather than a plebiscite to solve a split in the ever dysfunctional Tory party.

But it would be running battles on the street, full on class war, bad idea

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Looks like the lawyers are coming in....

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...urt-block-article-50-referendum-a7335201.html

Basically it's "unconstitutional" for the government to make a decision as monumental as leaving the EU without having a vote in parliament. And even article 50 stipulates that "any member state may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements."

All the lawyers have to do is prove that it is "unconstitutional" for the government to activate article 50 without a parliamentary vote...

In any case, if it went to a parliamentary vote, I believe it likely that mps would back the referendum vote.