Hampster Gull
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What are you rambling on about
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[Politics] Brexit
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What are you rambling on about
Lincoln Imp
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One of the great themes of the original referendum campaign was the concept of 'shared sovereignty', the concept of giving up some of our national rights in order to have a share of others'. This was the practical effect Churchill's great dream of 1948 and the Telegraph actually said that this (relatively) novel idea seemed to be taking over the debate. To suggest that people just discussed trade is a myth I'm afraid.
studio150
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UK Brexit deal will be inferior says Dr Muscat and that the UK is between a rock and a hard place.
No worries though we have our country back and everyone is happy
No worries though we have our country back and everyone is happy
That's the spirit, keep them coming, obviously other experts differ in opinion.
studio150
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With your lack on knowledge you could be the shadow foreign minister
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This isn't the same Muscat who said his own country is failing to cope with the influx of migrants is it?
I bet he doesn't mind the money us Brits spend in his economy visiting Malta, which makes up 30% of his visitors, but soon none of us will be able to go anyway, Britain will be closed off and nobody will be able to leave. May be we need to ask the Russians how they manage to get to countries like Malta and Spain for their own holidays.
The EU is like a sodding dictatorship, nobody is allowed leave and even when we said we are leaving they are still trying to dictate our terms. I'm glad we left.
crookie
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IMHO a vote against the EU and a Londoncentric Establishment. A vote against uncontrolled immigration and against the woeful 'deal' DC negotiated. A vote against scaremongering and a vote against the Establishment mantra that leaving the EU will be a catastrophe for the country. Most Brits are a pragmatic lot and believe we'll muddle through whatever. It won't be a catastrophe or some kind of paradise, will be somewhere in between, the same as if we had stayed.
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And your superior knowledge comes from where.
Seagull58
In the Algarve
And now you know the truth about Project Fear so there's even less reason to vote Remain.
Lincoln Imp
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It's easy to shout but you make a lot of mistakes in very few words. Anybody is allowed to leave the marriage but we haven't filed for divorce yet. When we do both parties will negotiate. They are no more trying to 'dictate' than we are. And we haven't left yet.
Two Professors
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How you just love to re-write history,does the truth hurt?The referendum vote was about 'do you think the UK should stay in the COMMON MARKET' in 1975-the EU was foisted on everybody in 1993,without recourse to any citizen vote.
Two Professors
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Don't they quote EU politicians in the sort of press you read (if,indeed,you read any) ?
I think you're the one re-writing history.
As has been posted several times on this thread, that is not strictly true. Yes, the vote was to join the EEC but as the ultimate aim was full integration and ever closer union, you can't claim that it was foisted on everybody without recourse. It's the second line of the Treaty of Rome - written in 1957 - so it's certainly not something sprung on us.
Pretty pink fairy
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OF COURSE WE ARE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT ANYWAY YOU WEAK DEFEATIST, the UK standing on it's own two feet MAKES YOU FEEL PROUD
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DR
Unless you were lucky enough to live in Denmark ( who got two chances to get the right answer ), or France, Italy or Ireland. For some reason the UK government were too chicken shite to give us one.
Ted Heath admitted in an interview a few years after the referendum that the plan was always a European superstate with full monetary, fiscal and political union but this wasn't pushed in 1975 as it was thought it would turn voters against staying in. The Treaty of Rome just lists one of the aims as being more political integration not full.
Neville's Breakfast
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To be fair he would look a little daft if instead he said that the UK is in a great negotiating position and the EU is up the creek without a paddle......
Don't fret !
Lincoln Imp
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Oh dear, this and other threads have been littered with your failures to understand simple points. The point I was making was that the concept of 'shared sovereignty' was a major discussion point at the time of the original European referendum. Are you saying that it wasn't?
Lincoln Imp
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OF COURSE WE ARE, WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT ANYWAY YOU WEAK DEFEATIST, the UK standing on it's own two feet MAKES YOU FEEL PROUD
regards
DR
Clearly your pride in England doesn't extend to its language.
Lincoln Imp
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I read and watch more about this than perhaps I should. In answer to your question, my regular daily newspaper quotes European politicians and officials frequently and from this I can see that some of them are setting out likely negotiating points. These are quite forceful on occasions but I have never seen anyone attempting to 'dictate' to anyone else. I appreciate though that some newspapers like to present almost anything coming from the EU as a threat and I also appreciate that some people believe what they say.
You referred to my newspaper. I read The Times every day (plus the Guardian and the Telegraph once a week). I don't always agree with it and I am not Murdoch's greatest fan but it is one of the most even-handed papers in its coverage and has some great columnists on either side of the debate. It doesn't attempt to browbeat anyone.
Now, what newspaper do you most often read?