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Are todays kids 'dumbed down' - interesting read



Here are a few sample questions that 11 year old's had to take in 1898. How many could you get right, let alone an 11 year old?



Issue: 27 November 2004 PAGE 1 of 1

Dumbing down: the proof

As a service to Spectator readers who still have any doubts about the decline in educational standards, we are printing these exam papers taken by 11-year-olds applying for places to King Edward’s School in Birmingham in 1898.

ENGLISH GRAMMAR

1. Write out in your best handwriting:—

‘O Mary, go and call the cattle home,
And call the cattle home,
And call the cattle home,
Across the sands o’ Dee.’
The western wind was wild and dank with foam,
And all alone went she.

The western tide crept up along the sand,
And o’er and o’er the sand,
And round and round the sand,
As far as eye could see.
The rolling mist came down and hid the land —
And never home came she.

2. Parse fully ‘And call the cattle home.’

3. Explain the meaning of o’ Dee, dank with foam, western tide, round and round the sand, the rolling mist.

4. Write out separately the simple sentences in the last two lines of the above passage and analyse them.

5. Write out what you consider to be the meaning of the above passage.

GEOGRAPHY

1. On the outline map provided, mark the position of Carlisle, Canterbury, Plymouth, Hull, Gloucester, Swansea, Southampton, Worcester, Leeds, Leicester and Norwich; Morecambe Bay, The Wash, Solent, Menai Straits and Lyme Bay; St Bees Head, The Naze, Lizard Point; the rivers Trent and Severn; Whernside, the North Downs, and Plinlimmon; and state on a separate paper what the towns named above are noted for.

2. Where are silver, platinum, tin, wool, wheat, palm oil, furs and cacao got from?

3. Name the conditions upon which the climate of a country depends, and explain the reason of any one of them.

4. Name the British possessions in America with the chief town in each. Which is the most important?

5. Where are Omdurman, Wai-Hei-Wai, Crete, Santiago, and West Key, and what are they noted for?

LATIN

1. Write in columns the nominative singular, genitive plural, gender, and meaning of:— operibus, principe, imperatori, genere, apro, nivem, vires, frondi, muri.

2. Give the comparative of noxius, acer, male, diu; the superlative of piger, humilis, fortiter, multum; the English and genitive sing. of solus, uter, quisque.

3. Write these phrases in a column and put opposite to each its Latin: he will go; he may wish; he had; he had been; he will be heard; and give in a column the English of fore, amatum, regendus, monetor.

4. Give in columns the perfect Indic. and active supine of ago, pono, dono, cedo, jungo, claudo.

Mention one example each of verbs followed by the nominative, the accusative, the genitive, the dative, the ablative.

5. Translate into Latin:—

1. The general’s little son was loved by the soldiers.
2. Let no bodies be buried within this city.
3. Ask Tullius who found the lions.
4. He said that the city had been taken, and, the war being finished, the forces would return.

6. Translate into English:—

Exceptus est imperatoris adventus incredibili honore atque amore: tum primum enim veniebat ab illo Aegypti bello. Nihil relinquebatur quod ad ornatum locorum omnium qua iturus erat excogitari posset.

ENGLISH HISTORY

1. What kings of England began to reign in the years 871, 1135, 1216, 1377, 1422, 1509, 1625, 1685, 1727, 1830?

2. Give some account of Egbert, William II, Richard III, Robert Blake, Lord Nelson.

3. State what you know of — Henry II’s quarrel with Becket, the taking of Calais by Edward III, the attempt to make Lady Jane Grey queen, the trial of the Seven bishops, the Gordon riots.

4. What important results followed — the raising of the siege of Orleans, the Gunpowder plot, the Scottish rebellion of 1639, the surrender at Yorktown, the battles of Bannockburn, Bosworth, Ethandune, La Hogue, Plassey, and Vittoria?

5. How are the following persons connected with English History,— Harold Hardrada, Saladin, James IV of Scotland, Philip II of Spain, Frederick the Elector Palatine?

ARITHMETIC

1. Multiply 642035 by 24506.

2. Add together £132 4s. 1d., £243 7s. 2d., £303 16s 2d., and £1.030 5s. 3d.; and divide the sum by 17. (Two answers to be given.)

3. Write out Length Measure, and reduce 217204 inches to miles, &c.

4. Find the G.C.M. of 13621 and 159848.

5. Find, by Practice, the cost of 537 things at £5 3s. 71/2d. each.

6. Subtract 37/16 from 51/4; multiply 63/4 by 5/36; divide 43/8 by 11/6; and find the value of 21/4 of 12/3 of 13/5.

7. Five horses and 28 sheep cost £126 14s., and 16 sheep cost £22 8s.; find the total cost of 2 horses and 10 sheep.

8. Subtract 3.25741 from 3.3; multiply 28.436 by 8.245; and divide .86655 by 26.5.

9. Simplify 183/4 – 22/3 ÷ 11/5 – 31/2 x 4/7.

10. Find the square root of 5.185,440,100.

11. Find the cost of papering the walls of a room 16ft long, 13ft 6in. wide, and 9ft high, with paper 11/2ft wide at 2s. 3d. a piece of 12yds in length.

12. A and B rent a number of fields between them for a year, the rent and other expenses amounting to £108 17s. 6d. A puts in 2 horses, 5 oxen and 10 sheep; and B puts in 4 horses, 1 ox, and 27 sheep. If a horse eats as much as 3 sheep and an ox as much as 2 sheep, how much should A and B each pay?
 




Scotty Mac

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Jul 13, 2003
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bloody hell:dunce:
 




dougdeep

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May 9, 2004
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Interesting?:yawn:
 


The Large One

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Jul 7, 2003
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Finished. Peasy.

Jeez, no wonder society was f***ed back then. You had 11-year-olds with all the brains, and the fuckwits - sorry, leaders - trampling their boots across 'one third of the globe...' 'Bollocks to a meritocracy, give power to the tosser with the bushy moustache...'
 




If that's too difficult, just try this everyday real-life calculation from the 1960s (performed on a regular basis by both shoppers and shop assistants, without calculators):-

If potatoes cost three pence farthing a pound, how much does a stone of potatoes cost?



Background information for you young 'uns:-

Three pence farthing = 3.25 pence.

There were twelve pence to the shilling and twenty shillings to the £.

A stone is fourteen pounds.
 


Jul 20, 2003
20,464
Lord Bracknell said:
If that's too difficult, just try this everyday real-life calculation from the 1960s (performed on a regular basis by both shoppers and shop assistants, without calculators):-

If potatoes cost three pence farthing a pound, how much does a stone of potatoes cost?



Background information for you young 'uns:-

Three pence farthing = 3.25 pence.

There were twelve pence to the shilling and twenty shillings to the £.

A stone is fourteen pounds.

I think I'd want about 10 pence change from 4 shillings

which I would need to spend on anadin because I've developed a headache
 


Jul 20, 2003
20,464
The Great Cornholio said:


............

5. Translate into Latin:—

1. The general’s little son was loved by the soldiers.
2. Let no bodies be buried within this city.
3. Ask Tullius who found the lions.
4. He said that the city had been taken, and, the war being finished, the forces would return.



nice selection of phrases
 




Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
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dahn sarf
Lord Bracknell said:
If that's too difficult, just try this everyday real-life calculation from the 1960s (performed on a regular basis by both shoppers and shop assistants, without calculators):-

If potatoes cost three pence farthing a pound, how much does a stone of potatoes cost?




3/- 9d halfpenny
 


Publius Ovidius

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£4, 12 and 6 pence
 


Titanic

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Jul 5, 2003
39,715
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I'm not sending Dave to buy spuds !! That might be nearer the price of his weight in potatotes though :D
 






Publius Ovidius

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Jul 5, 2003
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Titanic said:
I'm not sending Dave to buy spuds !! That might be nearer the price of his weight in potatotes though :D

never a truer word spoken in jest

:clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:
 






bhafc99

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Oct 14, 2003
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The Great Cornholio said:
Here are a few sample questions that 11 year old's had to take in 1898. How many could you get right, let alone an 11 year old?

And today's version would be something like:

Use your imagination to describe what it would be like to be a popstar or a footballer.

It doesn't matter if you make any spelling mistakes, don't finish or would prefer to write about something else instead – it's up to you. You can take this 'coursework' home and get your mum and dad to do it for you if you prefer. And if you'd like some more help, there are prepared answers on the Internet ready for you to download and copy.

Remember that everyone will get an A-grade regardless of how good they are!
 


Dick Knights Mumm

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Jul 5, 2003
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I am sure kids were coached for that exam in the same way as they are now. You could coach todays kids for that exam quite easily.

I know it is an easy target but I don't believe there is dumbing down. It may be easier to get A grades but my two (15 and 14) know a lot more than I did at the same age.
 


All three people who have calculated the price of spuds are WRONG.

All three of them are old enough to have used pre-decimal currency as well.

Try again.

None of the young 'uns have even attempted the question.
 


Cian

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Jul 16, 2003
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Lord Bracknell said:
All three people who have calculated the price of spuds are WRONG.

All three of them are old enough to have used pre-decimal currency as well.

Try again.

None of the young 'uns have even attempted the question.

I'm 17, so pre-decimal is way before my time

and it IS 3 shillings, 9.5 pence; unless there was some additional tax or discount changing the price for a stone.
 






Titanic

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Jul 5, 2003
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West Sussex
Question:

If potatoes cost three pence farthing a pound, how much does a stone of potatoes cost?

Working:

1 stone = 14 lbs
14 x 3 = 42
14 x 1/4 = 3 and 1/2

42 + 3 and 1/2 = 45 and 1/2

Answer:

3/- 9d and 2 farthings (or one ha'penny).

Why was Yorkie wrong ??
 


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