anyone voting for someone other than the 'big 3'? (well, 2 and a bit)

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

I think Dave Hill's gettin my vote (Trade Union and Socialist Coalition) purely for the reason that I believe that a) everyone should vote and b) I think the main parties all stink. (I notice in Kemp Town the Green's are 6/4 ON favs to win)

 

[Gwylan]

If I lived in Kemp Town, I'd probably vote for him too. But as I'm Pavilion, I'm on the Lucas bandwagon - or tandem - or something

 

[Dr. Notthenineo'clocknews]

If I lived in Kemp Town, I'd probably vote for him too. But as I'm Pavilion, I'm on the Lucas bandwagon - or tandem - or something

ah yes, that's what I meant, the Greens are favourites to win PAVILION, not Kemp Town

 

[Deleted User X18H]

No not voting for any of the minor radical Party's

The presenters of News night, the Politics show and whatever lame coverage Meridian are dishing up, would like you to believe that the constituency of Brighton Pavilion is that rare and newsworthy event, a 4 way marginal. Now this isn't something that happens just off the main drag in Phuket, what the media are implying is that basically Pavilion, is a 4 horse political race.

Let me tell you now, its not. As much as I admire Bernie Millam (Lib Dem) and the lovely Nancy Platts (Labour) Pav (as we call it in these parts)appears to be a straight fight between the delectable Tory candidate Charlotte Vere, and the Glenda Jackson esque, Green Party leader Caroline Lucas.
In a normal City, and I say that as 5th generation Brightonian, it is very likely Vere given the general apathy towards the government, would be looking forward, without too much doubt to a generous majority. However Brighton's infamous diversity, ensures that the Greens appear to have pockets of support, in the more shall we say, trendy area's of the city.

In Hanover, the New England quarter and Preston Circus you will, if you wander for a while , note more than the odd Green poster or even flag proclaiming that you should 'Vote Lucas'.

However, the above captioned locales of central Brighton, have always been the most likely to harbour the type of dormant socialist the Greens are hoping mark their card.

Having read the Green manifesto it is clear that their policies are more far reaching than what many consider they might be. If you ask the average Brighton man on the street what he thinks the Greens philosophy is, he will no doubt respond that pollution, recycling and carbon emissions are the pivotal points of the Green party agenda.

If you dare to look more closely at the Green Party manifesto you may be shocked to realize they are in fact far more radical than that. They plan to increase petrol to £1.45 a litre and set a speed limit of 55 mph to our motorways. Corporation tax would be increased by 2% possibly costing thousands of jobs, as would imposing a strict 35 hour week. They will impose an aviation fuel duty, which would likely increase the cost of air travel and at the tax payers expense provide free school meals for ALL school children. Not to mention leaving NATO and abolishing trident. But the most radical and ludicrous Green policy is the suggestion of a congestion charge for Brighton. The seafront traders will love that one.

So why this support for Dr Lucas'? It is surely tribal voting or in this case tribal support, that may manifest into tribal voting. Brighton is the migration capital of the south, perhaps of whole country. It is apparently the place to be. Many of us remember fondly when Brighton was a quite seedy, run down, unfashionable place to be. Famed only for ships that run aground, and cup final thrashings. (replays only) Nowadays it is consider the uber cultural capital of the world. When in fact it is living way in excess of its trendy reputation. Some who are only temporary interlopers who have who have headed south in the same tribal way they may vote on May 6th, are the very reason Dr Lucas chose Brighton, especially Pavilion, for her assault to gain a parliamentary seat.

If Caroline Lucas does become the right honourable member, her victory will not be indicative of the opinion of many of the established Brightonians. Those that were born here and may very well die here. Those that would like to see sensible politics from a sensible politician.

A Green vote will not change the political picture in Britain. I doubt any of their policies will be implemented, so a vote for them is much like putting unleaded in a diesel engine, just because it might be a couple of pence cheaper!

Green voters will be influenced by other Green voters, irrespective of the contents of that manifesto. Voting Green is chance to be seen to be trendy, to be different.Or perhaps be misled, and sadly on many counts to be misinformed and somewhat ignorant of the basic facts.

Brighton people may be green, surely they're not cabbage looking.

 

[The Large One]

Who do you think you are that you can speak on behalf of 'Brightonians'?

Oh, I remember - a self-deluded bigot; not very Brightonian at all.

 

[Acker79]

He's 5th generation, don't you know.

 

[Dandyman]

Dear me, HOVE Bed & Breakfast does appear to be in full on brown trouser mode does n't he?

 

[Deleted User X18H]

Who do you think you are that you can speak on behalf of 'Brightonians'?

Oh, I remember - a self-deluded bigot; not very Brightonian at all.

I knew you'd be first, I bet myself a small glass of Oyster Bay Pinot Noir you would. Cheers.

 

[Gwylan]

That post was a load of drivel when it was written on your blog and it's total rubbish on here.

It's simply not true to say that Caroline Lucas is only going to gather votes in Hanover and New England. As TLO has pointed out, there's plenty of support for her in Fiveways and even in Coldean, there are several Green posters.

It's also not just newcomers to Brighton who vote for her, I'm at least a fifth generation Brightonian and I'm certainly going to vote for her - she's going to get the votes of many traditional Labour party voters who feel alienated by the current Labour party.

And do you really think she's going to be called into government? That's what you imply when you refer to her as "the right honourable member".

To be honest, this sounds like the ravings of someone who needs to get out a bit more and listen to the views of ordinary people, not just the sound of his own voice.

 

[Eric Potts]

H B&B : despite your eloquence - the only scenario in which i could ever imagine voting tory , is to keep the BNP out

 

[ATFC Seagull]

No not voting for any of the minor radical Party's

The presenters of News night, the Politics show and whatever lame coverage Meridian are dishing up, would like you to believe that the constituency of Brighton Pavilion is that rare and newsworthy event, a 4 way marginal. Now this isn't something that happens just off the main drag in Phuket, what the media are implying is that basically Pavilion, is a 4 horse political race.

Let me tell you now, its not. As much as I admire Bernie Millam (Lib Dem) and the lovely Nancy Platts (Labour) Pav (as we call it in these parts)appears to be a straight fight between the delectable Tory candidate Charlotte Vere, and the Glenda Jackson esque, Green Party leader Caroline Lucas.
In a normal City, and I say that as 5th generation Brightonian, it is very likely Vere given the general apathy towards the government, would be looking forward, without too much doubt to a generous majority. However Brighton's infamous diversity, ensures that the Greens appear to have pockets of support, in the more shall we say, trendy area's of the city.

In Hanover, the New England quarter and Preston Circus you will, if you wander for a while , note more than the odd Green poster or even flag proclaiming that you should 'Vote Lucas'.

However, the above captioned locales of central Brighton, have always been the most likely to harbour the type of dormant socialist the Greens are hoping mark their card.

Having read the Green manifesto it is clear that their policies are more far reaching than what many consider they might be. If you ask the average Brighton man on the street what he thinks the Greens philosophy is, he will no doubt respond that pollution, recycling and carbon emissions are the pivotal points of the Green party agenda.

If you dare to look more closely at the Green Party manifesto you may be shocked to realize they are in fact far more radical than that. They plan to increase petrol to £1.45 a litre and set a speed limit of 55 mph to our motorways. Corporation tax would be increased by 2% possibly costing thousands of jobs, as would imposing a strict 35 hour week. They will impose an aviation fuel duty, which would likely increase the cost of air travel and at the tax payers expense provide free school meals for ALL school children. Not to mention leaving NATO and abolishing trident. But the most radical and ludicrous Green policy is the suggestion of a congestion charge for Brighton. The seafront traders will love that one.

So why this support for Dr Lucas'? It is surely tribal voting or in this case tribal support, that may manifest into tribal voting. Brighton is the migration capital of the south, perhaps of whole country. It is apparently the place to be. Many of us remember fondly when Brighton was a quite seedy, run down, unfashionable place to be. Famed only for ships that run aground, and cup final thrashings. (replays only) Nowadays it is consider the uber cultural capital of the world. When in fact it is living way in excess of its trendy reputation. Some who are only temporary interlopers who have who have headed south in the same tribal way they may vote on May 6th, are the very reason Dr Lucas chose Brighton, especially Pavilion, for her assault to gain a parliamentary seat.

If Caroline Lucas does become the right honourable member, her victory will not be indicative of the opinion of many of the established Brightonians. Those that were born here and may very well die here. Those that would like to see sensible politics from a sensible politician.

A Green vote will not change the political picture in Britain. I doubt any of their policies will be implemented, so a vote for them is much like putting unleaded in a diesel engine, just because it might be a couple of pence cheaper!

Green voters will be influenced by other Green voters, irrespective of the contents of that manifesto. Voting Green is chance to be seen to be trendy, to be different.Or perhaps be misled, and sadly on many counts to be misinformed and somewhat ignorant of the basic facts.

Brighton people may be green, surely they're not cabbage looking.

Blimey, I agree with you about the Greens. Not about the Tories though. Personally, I think a lot of the people who have declared in polls that they will vote Green will probably be amongst those who don't get round to voting in the end.

Also, I am not convinced that the 2-way race between Greens and Tories isn't just a lie by the Greens to try and get Labour voters to swing to them.

 

[Gwylan]

Also, I am not convinced that the 2-way race between Greens and Tories isn't just a lie by the Greens to try and get Labour voters to swing to them.

What about the bookies who make Greens odds-on favourites?

 

[Dandyman]

Blimey, I agree with you about the Greens. Not about the Tories though. Personally, I think a lot of the people who have declared in polls that they will vote Green will probably be amongst those who don't get round to voting in the end.

Also, I am not convinced that the 2-way race between Greens and Tories isn't just a lie by the Greens to try and get Labour voters to swing to them.

When in doubt, trust the bookies. According to them it's a straight Tory v. Green fight. Anybody who regards themselves as a progressive should vote for Caroline Lucas.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

What about the bookies who make Greens odds-on favourites?

Odds are a product of who's betting and why they're doing it - way more complex than an accurate prediction. My point wasn't that the Greens are not going to win anyway, its that I think its very clever for them to be trying to count Labour out of the equation.

 

[The Large One]

Blimey, I agree with you about the Greens. Not about the Tories though. Personally, I think a lot of the people who have declared in polls that they will vote Green will probably be amongst those who don't get round to voting in the end.

Also, I am not convinced that the 2-way race between Greens and Tories isn't just a lie by the Greens to try and get Labour voters to swing to them.

The Greens' vote has been increasing year-on-year since 2001, to the point that they won the popular vote in Brighton at the most recent European elections.

They had, in December, an eight point lead over the Tories in Brighton Pavilion.

No idea whether that will really happen tomorrow - I doubt it, but the Greens will do well in this constituency.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

Anybody who regards themselves as a progressive should vote for Caroline Lucas.

Perhaps, but anyone who doesnt want an entirely regressive society votes Labour to keep Cameron out.

PS: I am aware the obvious comeback to that might be "therefore vote Lucas to keep the Tories out in Pavilion", but see my earlier point regarding my belief over the "2-horse race".

Either way, all will become clear tommorow!

 

[Dandyman]

Odds are a product of who's betting and why they're doing it - way more complex than an accurate prediction. My point wasn't that the Greens are not going to win anyway, its that I think its very clever for them to be trying to count Labour out of the equation.

I think Lucas tends to appeal to a lot of ex-Labour voters who find New Labour far too right-wing and authoritarian for their tastes.

 

[ATFC Seagull]

The Greens' vote has been increasing year-on-year since 2001, to the point that they won the popular vote in Brighton at the most recent European elections.

They had, in December, an eight point lead over the Tories in Brighton Pavilion.

No idea whether that will really happen tomorrow - I doubt it, but the Greens will do well in this constituency.

As I said, I'm not questionning the position of the Greens, just saying that in my opinion it isn't going to be:

a) a sure thing
b) a straight 2-horse race.

 

[Deleted User X18H]

What about the bookies who make Greens odds-on favourites?

How many favorites won today? Of course the bookies make them favourites then they grab in the fivers and tenners knowing full well they won't win. They have eased slightly in the betting. That's how you make a successful book convincing the betting public an entity (political party ,horse,dog,) has more chance than the other runners. When in reality it has an equal or less chance than its fellow competitors.

 

[Dandyman]

Perhaps, but anyone who doesnt want an entirely regressive society votes Labour to keep Cameron out.

PS: I am aware the obvious comeback to that might be "therefore vote Lucas to keep the Tories out in Pavilion", but see my earlier point regarding my belief over the "2-horse race".

Either way, all will become clear tommorow!

Fair comment. Let's see...