Any coppers out there?

[Freddie Goodwin.]

I quite like the fact that we have OB on here but moreson as they come on as fans & are fans. Most OB seem to acknowledge the way footie fans have sometimes been treated, hopefully most of that is in the past.

The attitude of policing is crucial at matches. low key & friendly is becoming the norm and that's great as it doesn't play into the hands of a few (fans) who may be looking for confrontation. Sadly, Some stewards could do with learning this simple lesson.

 

[grummitts gloves]

I quite like the fact that we have OB on here but moreson as they come on as fans & are fans. Most OB seem to acknowledge the way footie fans have sometimes been treated, hopefully most of that is in the past.

The attitude of policing is crucial at matches. low key & friendly is becoming the norm and that's great as it doesn't play into the hands of a few (fans) who may be looking for confrontation. Sadly, Some stewards could do with learning this simple lesson.

Too true FG.
Albion Fan - 1976
OB - 1988

 

[grummitts gloves]

yes i know. but with all that OT it makes it a nice wage packet

Sometimes there is OT, most of the time there is not, credit crunch effects law enforcement as well. I know of some OB who have left to be train/tube drivers because the money is better and the OT is constant.

 

[Collar Feeler]

easy, i think you may be talking to the legendry mr Balkham

Wrong ID there fella! I'm not Darren, he posts on here occasionally under a different logon. I do however work in a specialist unit and can confirm I am responsible for saving the world!

 

[seagully]

A few years back, I was randomly assaulted outside my house by some skaghead and his girlfriend. Within literally minutes of someone calling the police, there were three patrol cars and a dog unit on the scene in pursuit of the offenders. They caught the pair of them I'm pleased to say, and I felt that the professionalism of the officers involved in the initial arrest, statement taking and identification that followed was exemplary.

You can obviously only judge by your own experience when it comes to matters like this, and my experience left me with a great deal of admiration for the police force.

 

[Ninja Elephant]

Some bloke tried to break into my house, not 3 minutes had passed between my sos call to the cops, to them showing up and arresting the guy in my drive way. I love the police, I really do. In my current job, I deal with them everynow and again and they're all brilliant people, some of them are arseholes to be fair but you need that type in any job to get stuff done. I love the police, I really do.

 

[Napper]

Sussex police are generally useless from my experience's . Petty wannabes who been bullied at school

 

[csider]

Wrong ID there fella! I'm not Darren, he posts on here occasionally under a different logon. I do however work in a specialist unit and can confirm I am responsible for saving the world!

what is darren 'cant catch a cold' balkhams user ID then...........?

 

[Lord Bracknell]

what is darren 'cant catch a cold' balkhams user ID then...........?

One that obviously identifies him as a member of the force ... even more so than Collar Feeler.

 

[The French Mistress]

I think your hatred of the old bill stems from the fact that you probably have been caught already in the past.

Back to the post!, obviously I'm biased but I don't feel the need to apologise or justify getting in the faces of criminals as they step out of the prison gates, I know people will bleat on about their human rights and that its harrassment and they've done their time etc etc. So what, I'm a copper not a friggin social worker, I couldn't give a toss about them or their rehabilitation and its what we do. They don't give a toss about anyone other than themselves when they are out committing crime so bollox to them.

And of course you'll say all of that to your inspector at your next assessment, unless, heaven forbid you are an inspector !!!!

 

[The French Mistress]

Wrong ID there fella! I'm not Darren, he posts on here occasionally under a different logon. I do however work in a specialist unit and can confirm I am responsible for saving the world!

Christ, what size hat do you take? Do they make them big enough ??'Spose you don't wear one in your "specialist unit"?

 

[Don't get me started]

I think you're confusing the police- who undoubtedly do attempt to keep track of convicted criminals as much as is legally and humanly possible- with the government. And to be honest I really couldn't care less if the Government wants to know about my mobile phone records. There's nothing remotely of interest in there.

Seriously, if you think the police have either the time or the inclination to record ALL your movements over a two year period, then you've been watching too many conspiracy programmes.

Either that or you're a registered sex offender

My gripe is not with individual police officers but with the way the force now looks at me, a honest hardworking self employed family man with no criminal record and no bad intentions except maybe hovering above the speed limit occasionally and cycling in the odd place I shouldn't.

I am under the watchfull eye of their great big CCTV cameras all the time..The great big show off one in Grand avenue was watching people coming out of Ladbrokes the other day! their vans tell me to "smile as I am on CCTV" I cant even escape to the beach without being watched...the ANPR cameras now follow my every journey, dont please tell me that they were put there just to stamp out untaxed or stolen vehicles if so why are they fixed and gradually being put near every major intersection? This says to me that I am not trusted so on that basis I cant trust the police, I still see people off their face in Brighton, I still see lawbreaking on a daily basis. I still hear threatening behaviour almost daily on our streets in Brighton and London. In short even with all this hardware crimne is not significantly reduced.

The great thing is everytime I mention this to people with a vested interest in keeping these things going I am told that I am either a conspiracy theorist (above) have something to hide (also above) told that if I have nothing to hide I have nothing to fear... or that the massed ranks of Al quada are waiting to batter my door down and steal my family. All complete twaddle

I now realise that I am not the only one as David Davis resigned because of it, the BBC show programmes about it, select commitees sit because of it.

The sad thing is I no longer respect our police force because of this, I am sure that if I had a major attack on my person or my family they would come along but all the dealings I have had with them so far have been minor and they have only been there to supply a crime number for my 2 stolen bikes.

I am sure the policemen and women on this board do a sterling job but I feel you are losing a lot of support. I haven't even started on the DNA database yet..........

 

[csider]

One that obviously identifies him as a member of the force ... even more so than Collar Feeler.

that helps as much as having the shits on a long train journey

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Wrong ID there fella! I'm not Darren, he posts on here occasionally under a different logon. I do however work in a specialist unit and can confirm I am responsible for saving the world!

i got you mixed up with PC BHA , have you got a SUPERMAN outfit then

 

[Storer68]

My gripe is not with individual police officers but with the way the force now looks at me, a honest hardworking self employed family man with no criminal record and no bad intentions except maybe hovering above the speed limit occasionally and cycling in the odd place I shouldn't.

I am under the watchfull eye of their great big CCTV cameras all the time..The great big show off one in Grand avenue was watching people coming out of Ladbrokes the other day! their vans tell me to "smile as I am on CCTV" I cant even escape to the beach without being watched...the ANPR cameras now follow my every journey, dont please tell me that they were put there just to stamp out untaxed or stolen vehicles if so why are they fixed and gradually being put near every major intersection? This says to me that I am not trusted so on that basis I cant trust the police, I still see people off their face in Brighton, I still see lawbreaking on a daily basis. I still hear threatening behaviour almost daily on our streets in Brighton and London. In short even with all this hardware crimne is not significantly reduced.

The great thing is everytime I mention this to people with a vested interest in keeping these things going I am told that I am either a conspiracy theorist (above) have something to hide (also above) told that if I have nothing to hide I have nothing to fear... or that the massed ranks of Al quada are waiting to batter my door down and steal my family. All complete twaddle

I now realise that I am not the only one as David Davis resigned because of it, the BBC show programmes about it, select commitees sit because of it.

The sad thing is I no longer respect our police force because of this, I am sure that if I had a major attack on my person or my family they would come along but all the dealings I have had with them so far have been minor and they have only been there to supply a crime number for my 2 stolen bikes.

I am sure the policemen and women on this board do a sterling job but I feel you are losing a lot of support. I haven't even started on the DNA database yet..........

dna databases now to do with the rozzers but everything t o do with the home office's paranoia

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

My gripe is not with individual police officers but with the way the force now looks at me, a honest hardworking self employed family man with no criminal record and no bad intentions except maybe hovering above the speed limit occasionally and cycling in the odd place I shouldn't.

I am under the watchfull eye of their great big CCTV cameras all the time..The great big show off one in Grand avenue was watching people coming out of Ladbrokes the other day! their vans tell me to "smile as I am on CCTV" I cant even escape to the beach without being watched...the ANPR cameras now follow my every journey, dont please tell me that they were put there just to stamp out untaxed or stolen vehicles if so why are they fixed and gradually being put near every major intersection? This says to me that I am not trusted so on that basis I cant trust the police, I still see people off their face in Brighton, I still see lawbreaking on a daily basis. I still hear threatening behaviour almost daily on our streets in Brighton and London. In short even with all this hardware crimne is not significantly reduced.

The great thing is everytime I mention this to people with a vested interest in keeping these things going I am told that I am either a conspiracy theorist (above) have something to hide (also above) told that if I have nothing to hide I have nothing to fear... or that the massed ranks of Al quada are waiting to batter my door down and steal my family. All complete twaddle

I now realise that I am not the only one as David Davis resigned because of it, the BBC show programmes about it, select commitees sit because of it.

The sad thing is I no longer respect our police force because of this, I am sure that if I had a major attack on my person or my family they would come along but all the dealings I have had with them so far have been minor and they have only been there to supply a crime number for my 2 stolen bikes.

I am sure the policemen and women on this board do a sterling job but I feel you are losing a lot of support. I haven't even started on the DNA database yet..........

'done nothing wrong got nothing to hide'

Sadly British justice is littered with wrongful convictions so this arguement doesnt really stack up does it.

I agree with you.

 

[Seasidesage]

Collar Fella, this is why IMO fans ceased to trust the police some time ago. And yes something similar has happened to Albion fans, Plymouth away some years ago springs to mind and although I wasn't there Sheff Weds too...


Interesting press release from the FSF. Ok, this wasn't a Spurs fan but it shows what can happen and that fans CAN have a say when badly treated.

Stoke City supporter awarded £2,750 compensation following unlawful police action.

Stoke City fan Lyndon Edwards, 38, has been awarded £2,750 in compensation following unlawful police action in Manchester last year.

Greater Manchester Police (GMP) used section 27 of the Violent Crime
Reduction Act to round up more than 80 Stoke City fans prior to their club`s
Premier League tie with Manchester United match at Old Trafford on Saturday, 15 November, 2008.

Even though Stoke`s fans had been well-behaved - the pub landlord made no complaints and has since invited them back - supporters were detained for up to four hours and forcibly transported by the police back to Stoke-on-Trent on coaches, missing the game.

Deprived of toilet facilities on the coach, Lyndon and his fellow supporters were instructed to urinate into cups, which spilled over the floor of the bus so that they had to sit with urine sloshing around their feet for the 40-mile journey back.

Stoke City fan Lyndon contacted the Football Supporters` Federation (FSF) to complain about his appalling treatment at the hands of the GMP.

The FSF teamed up with civil-rights organisation Liberty and took GMP`s use of section 27 to judicial review. GMP have conceded that the legislation was never intended to be used on large groups of people.

Its original purpose was to target individuals or small groups displaying drunken behaviour - something the police showed no evidence for in this case.

The case has huge implications for all football supporters across England and Wales. The FSF had heard of an increasing number of police forces using this illegal tactic to effectively impose football banning orders at will across entire counties.

In a remarkably similar case South Yorkshire Police has also agreed to compensate Plymouth Argyle fans unjustly served section 27 orders following their team`s visit to Doncaster Rovers on Saturday, 6 December, 2008. The level of compensation is still being negotiated.

Lyndon Edwards, Stoke City fan, said: 'I am very pleased that the GMP has conceded they were in the wrong and satisfied with the compensation awarded. Hopefully the forthcoming judicial review will have a positive outcome for football supporters too and prevent section 27 from being used in this manner again.

'I would like to take this opportunity to thank the FSF and Liberty for all of their hard work and support which has been absolutely vital to a satisfactory outcome.'

'I`d also like to thank Stoke City who offered to underwrite £20,000 of Lyndon`s legal costs, great credit should go to both Tony Scholes and Peter Coates at Stoke.'

Malcolm Clarke, chair of the FSF, said: 'We are delighted that as a result of the FSF and Liberty Stoke fans who suffered this appalling treatment are now receiving financial compensation. Police need to think very carefully in future before ever using this legislation inappropriately on football supporters ever again.

'This is an important victory for football fans everywhere - not just those at Stoke City. We were of hearing more and more similar cases from fans across the country but since Lyndon`s case went to court these seem to have stopped.'

'I`d also like to thank Stoke City who offered to underwrite £20,000 of Lyndon`s legal costs, great credit should go to both Tony Scholes and Peter Coates at Stoke.'

James Welch, legal director at Liberty, said: 'This is yet another example of overly broad powers being used inappropriately. If you give the police powers that are not tightly defined, they are going to abuse them. Congratulations to the FSF for raising this important issue.'

 

[Collar Feeler]

And of course you'll say all of that to your inspector at your next assessment, unless, heaven forbid you are an inspector !!!!

I'd have no problem saying that to my inspector! Admitting I'm not a social worker and am a copper has never been a problem for me. And me saving the world was tongue in cheek comment although granted it is difficult to convey that in a forum such as this hence why there are always binfests on here.

Seasidesage, I fully understand why some fans mistrust the old bill and as a fan myself whilst off duty I have seen some dreadful policing, mainly at away games. On one occasion at Orient a few years back I ID'd myself as an off duty copper to some twat of a Met officer and asked why he was being such a cock to all the Brighton fans, his response and i kid you not was to run off into the crowd making out he was talking into his radio as if something was happening elsewhere1 I don't knwo what the answer is although I do feel policing of football is better than it was 20 years ago.

Csider - I think someone else has already ID'd PC Balkham - PC BHA I believe? I'm someone else!

 

[The French Mistress]

I'd have no problem saying that to my inspector! Admitting I'm not a social worker and am a copper has never been a problem for me. And me saving the world was tongue in cheek comment although granted it is difficult to convey that in a forum such as this hence why there are always binfests on here.

Seasidesage, I fully understand why some fans mistrust the old bill and as a fan myself whilst off duty I have seen some dreadful policing, mainly at away games. On one occasion at Orient a few years back I ID'd myself as an off duty copper to some twat of a Met officer and asked why he was being such a cock to all the Brighton fans, his response and i kid you not was to run off into the crowd making out he was talking into his radio as if something was happening elsewhere1 I don't knwo what the answer is although I do feel policing of football is better than it was 20 years ago.

Csider - I think someone else has already ID'd PC Balkham - PC BHA I believe? I'm someone else!

Sorry, last thing you do is flash your warrant card to a fellow officer, shows signs of insecurity.

 

[227 BHA]

I think someone else has already ID'd PC Balkham - PC BHA I believe? I'm someone else!

I know who you are

But I'm not telling G----