Anarchists = scum

[Bulldog]

i am a life long socialist, not a hard line lefty, but someone that can see the benefits of some of the tory ideas.
My outlook is simple. The state pays for a top quality education for EVERYONE, from wherever they are in the social structure to ensure the the best rise to the top, not the richest.
Once you reach 18, you are expected to start to repay the massive investment the taxpayers have made in you, and become a taxpayer yourself.
If you make the choice that paying tax from your income is not for you, and you need further training beyond that available to most people, thats your choice and you should pay for it.
If you choose a course that the country need, then the taxpayers should ease your burden, if you choose a course thats a fancy and of no real benefit to the country, you pay. Simples!

 

[Castello]

The whole lot of them.....I for one minute do not think that students are capable of this type of violent disruption. For heavens sake there are schoolchildren on this legitimate demonstration who are being caught up in this, law abiding peoples children...... their the lot of them. If you want a ruck with the old bill, why not arrange a get together of your own Go back to your squats and consider the merits of a bar of soap and some water.

as someone who would agree with a lot of what anarchism advocates, and knows many genuinely articulate and committed anarchists, I can honestly say that they give not a toss what you think and they also have a far better idea of when Gus will join Chelsea.

Not so much an oxymoron as completely wrong. Anarchy is not about conforming or not conforming. It's about rejecting an ever more totalitarian state imposed authority over your life and claiming back your own personal liberty. I'm guessing you have a view that anarchy taken from a 70s punk rock lyric. That pseudo-nihilist Johnny Rotten wouldn't know what anarchy is if it bit him on the bum.

Society is afraid of anarchy and (true) anarchists because society's rulers don't want people to think for themselves, to act for themselves and take responsibility for their own actions. God forbid that we know ourselves best and what is best for us individually and for how we interact with other people.

Anarchists are not scum and the scum that are doing all this damage are not anarchists.

You surprised me with this reply. For the first time we agree. At least as far as anarchism goes.

 

[Art Vs Science]

Not so much an oxymoron as completely wrong. Anarchy is not about conforming or not conforming. It's about rejecting an ever more totalitarian state imposed authority over your life and claiming back your own personal liberty. I'm guessing you have a view that anarchy taken from a 70s punk rock lyric. That pseudo-nihilist Johnny Rotten wouldn't know what anarchy is if it bit him on the bum.

Society is afraid of anarchy and (true) anarchists because society's rulers don't want people to think for themselves, to act for themselves and take responsibility for their own actions. God forbid that we know ourselves best and what is best for us individually and for how we interact with other people.

Anarchists are not scum and the scum that are doing all this damage are not anarchists.

Oh, well i am not in the Anarchists are scum arguement, will leave that for others to debate. If the Majority has a misunderstanding(albeit wrong) of what anarchy is, it is lost in it's own meaning though. that was the point of the question. A very loose example of this is yesterday, you get a huge number of students protesting but as with all protests these days, the usual element also turn up. The media friendly hyper thug, just turning up to cause trouble. For me personally, in a 'not giving a f*** what people believe in during disruptive protests' kinda way, if i have been out of the house for 12 hours working and i am coming home on a bus, the last thing i want is the aforementioned to piss me off by acting like the 'pseudo-nihilist Johnny Rotten' the you speak of and stopping me getting home. Fact of the matter is, most of these idiots just have anger issues and have no idea of any base facts

 

[Biscuit]

i am a life long socialist, not a hard line lefty, but someone that can see the benefits of some of the tory ideas.
My outlook is simple. The state pays for a top quality education for EVERYONE, from wherever they are in the social structure to ensure the the best rise to the top, not the richest.
Once you reach 18, you are expected to start to repay the massive investment the taxpayers have made in you, and become a taxpayer yourself.
If you make the choice that paying tax from your income is not for you, and you need further training beyond that available to most people, thats your choice and you should pay for it.
If you choose a course that the country need, then the taxpayers should ease your burden, if you choose a course thats a fancy and of no real benefit to the country, you pay. Simples!

I agree with that. A fully comprehensive system where the rich can't buy privilege.

 

[Biscuit]

OMG, says the pathetic little runt who checks out my profile and then suggests I'm somewhat inferior because I've made no friends on an internet site, as you said have you met anyone so childish

Nearly 4,000 posts and not any of them worth reading... Everyone here is having an adult debate about an interesting subject and you're like a toddler who's not getting the attention he craves and throwing a strop. 'Look at me! Look at me!' Grow up.

 

[bhaexpress]

In the US most students supplement their income with part time jobs. All well and good if there are jobs to be had but it's not really the case here, despite what some people might think we have nothing like the same number of food outlets here that are so often the staple of American students' employment. Whilst I would not want to deny anybody an education I'd frankly don't buy into this 'life learning' benefit from being in higher education as the same cane be said of working, it's all about experience. It's also fair to say that whilst an education that gains something that can benefit society as a whole is a good thing there are far too many degrees (allegedly) that serve no real purpose. The problem with that though is who decides which is which.

 

[Biscuit]

In the US most students supplement their income with part time jobs. All well and good if there are jobs to be had but it's not really the case here, despite what some people might think we have nothing like the same number of food outlets here that are so often the staple of American students' employment. Whilst I would not want to deny anybody an education I'd frankly don't buy into this 'life learning' benefit from being in higher education as the same cane be said of working, it's all about experience. It's also fair to say that whilst an education that gains something that can benefit society as a whole is a good thing there are far too many degrees (allegedly) that serve no real purpose. The problem with that though is who decides which is which.

Yeah that's a good point. I think it's all about individuals though to be honest. Some might learn life skills at Uni (I certainly did!) but as you point others may gain it through working. I don't think it's always one or the other. Personally I worked three jobs while studying to help pay my bills (all bar work) and at one point I worked all three at the same time. And although yes, there are perceived 'weak' degrees I think there is a huge benefit to be had for oneself no matter what form of higher education you're involved in. But again it goes back to individuals, I know a few (and I mean very very few) who seemily went to University and didn't get anything out of it other than a degree and in some cases not even that. That's a shame.

Personally I think everyone has to work in life (apart from the lucky few) but I would encourage everyone to study something they're interested in at some point in life. You'll be amazed by what you'll get out of it. I am so pleased I went to Uni. For me it was the right thing to do and I wouldn't be doing the job I genuinely love doing now if I hadn't gone.