An Idiots Guide to constant Standing in the South Stand

[Kukev31]

yes there has been a fine handed to a club for repeated standing

No there hasn't, whoever told you this is wrong. I don't know where this myth comes from, but no club has has sanctions placed on them for home fans standing. The only punishments have been away allocation reductions, that have only happened at very few grounds, for a select few teams.

 

[Brovion]

... The only punishments have been away allocation reductions, that have only happened at very few grounds, for a select few teams.

Do you happen to know if any of those involve Newcastle fans? I've mentioned on here before that I see Newcastle play about 7 or 8 times a season, usually away. For the away games we INVARIABLY stand for the whole match. The stewards start off telling us to sit down but there's so many of us that eventually they give up.

If we all did it they'd have to change the rules - however as you can tell from the Daily Mail readers who've been posting on this thread people are quite happy with gutless football grounds. Much safer y'know. (They'll be campaigning for all-seater dance halls next).

And welcome to 1066family man!

 

[Kukev31]

I know that Sunderland and Middlesbrough have given reduced allocations to Newcastle, Man Utd, Liverpool, Leeds and Villa. Though, I think Sunderland ma have changed this after they realised loads of Newcastle fans would go in the home ends. I also think Rading have reduced Man Utd. And I'm pretty sure Cardiff have had away allocations reduced a couple of times, but I'm not sure which grounds.

I'm interested to know, for those that say we should just sit down because 'thems the rules'. At what point do you stop doing as you are told? If they said you couldn't stand after goals? Or if you couldn't sing? Or if they banned standing from gigs? Forcing people to sit at football, is a ridiculous regulation and I personally won't go along with something I think is a joke.

Anyway I should probably not post much more on the subject, or I will sound like a broken record!

 

[Marc]

Forcing people to sit at football, is a ridiculous regulation and I personally won't go along with something I think is a joke.

ok are you 12 or have you never heard of the Hillsborough disaster? thats why we HAVE to sit at football matches (sort of the reason anyway). I suggest you do some research before you make such a stupid comment in future!






Seriously....are there ANY BHA fans on NSC who have 2 brain cells to rub together, not getting at you Kukev but theres alot of people who are blatant idiots when it comes to this subject............so I GIVE UP with you on this Sitting Feature and return to look at porn!

 

[Brovion]

ok are you 12 or have you never heard of the Hillsborough disaster? thats why we HAVE to sit at football matches (sort of the reason anyway). I suggest you do some research before you make such a stupid comment in future!

It wasn't STANDING that killed them any more than SITTING killed the people at Valley Parade (Bradford fire). The terraces could have been reformed into 'safe standing areas', but the anti-football, anti-working class Tory government at the time decided they'd rather have football fans sitting down quietly in nice, numbered seats.

It was a political decision, NOT a safety one - which is one of the reasons I oppose it. I accept you Tories disagree and think it's 'progress', so we are just going to have to differ.

 

[Marc]

It wasn't STANDING that killed them any more than SITTING killed the people at Valley Parade (Bradford fire). The terraces could have been reformed into 'safe standing areas', but the anti-football, anti-working class Tory government at the time decided they'd rather have football fans sitting down quietly in nice, numbered seats.

It was a political decision, NOT a safety one - which is one of the reasons I oppose it. I accept you Tories disagree and think it's 'progress', so we are just going to have to differ.

Apologies I was always led to believe that Hillsborough was the main "look what happened there" kind of thing, dunno where I got that impression from.

EITHER way i'm not a Tory & I hate sitting at matches just as much as YOU but we have to live with the RULE and its thats simple.

 

[Kukev31]

I know I said I would stop posting on the subject. But I felt I had to reply to your post.

Hillsborough was a tragedy, which resulted in people taking a long overdue look at stadium safety, this didn't however necesitate the abolishment of standing in the top two divisions. That was a kneejerk reaction.

Germany and other countries have shown that standing doesn't have to be unsafe, there were a lot of other factors which contributed to Hillsborough not just standing.

We could just as eassily look at the Valley Parade fire, and say that if a terrace had been in place, then the stand would have been evacuated quicker. The Ellis Park disaster in South Africa has shown that a fatal crush, can happen even in an all-seater stadium.

I am not even advocating as much a terraced area, I would be happy if we were just allowed to stand behind our seat. Which is allowed in countries including Italy, USA and Australia.

 

[FalmerforAll!**]

About 10 of us stand at the back of the family stand and are never told to sit down.

 

[blue'n'white]

I've read all this thread and I think that the way steward 433 has been abused is dreadful - the bloke is just doing his job after all. If he left everyone to their own devices he would be sacked.
I will freely admit I don't know what the atmosphere is like in H & J block as I sit in the North Stand but it sounds like there's a few people who have to go up against the rules just because they're there and that's the reason I have gone to less and less away matches over the last few seasons because there are people who go along just to have a pop at the stewards. It ain't big and it ain't clever quite frankly it's very childish.

 

[NMH]

I think a factor that many of you seem to be missing, is that we have enough on our plate being in a small, borrowed athletics ground with makeshift stands built between some woods and a track circuit.

Maybe all this rabbit about how we get to watch the games might be pertinent when we have a proper stadium with sections and areas and answer totally to ourselves for the safe escort of fans in and around the ground.

The people who went to Gillingham might have a more sober outlook on the small mercies we even scrape together at Withdean, a mere short bus-ride from the City centre (and some of the people going ott about on this thread probably should ride the short-bus)

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I used to sit in the back row of the South Stand at Withdean and the stewards used to talk to me and ignore my standing up, they even told me I could stand as there was no-one behind me.

 

[1066familyman]

Thanks for the welcome Brovion.

Sounds to me that Joey jo jo jr had a sensible result if he was allowed to stand at the back of the south stand ; that's EXACTLY as it should be - if you're bothering no-one then feel free to stand up.

Can confirm that the Burgess Hill mob always stand at the back of the family stand, and again, that's EXACTLY as it should be )

Totally disagree that it was standing that caused the Hillsborough disaster. That's what certain people in power at the time would have us all believe, but it's RUBBISH !!!

I sympathise totally with people who need to sit or who have their views obstructed by the pig ignorant, but I've always found people standing more than happy to jiggle about a bit to accomodate little ones.

 

[NMH]

I used to sit in the back row of the South Stand at Withdean and the stewards used to talk to me and ignore my standing up, they even told me I could stand as there was no-one behind me.

Well the irony is, that the more some of ours whinge and kick up a fuss about the whole thing, the more it becomes an ISSUE - and gets raised as one, and then more stringently forced upon everyone.

If the whingers used a bit of COMMON, and didn't rant on about it so much then we'd all get more of a blind-eye turned when we stand. There's only one way things go when people rail against stuff like this - it gets enforced more stringently because it's the rules.


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[dougdeep]

But if everybody stood up?

 

[portslade seagull]

Why's that do you want to see the club get a hefty fine?

Hefty fine my arse what a load of bollocks this no standing rule is..Once the premiershite has wrung almost all the money out of football and the only way to make more is to have safe standing areas watch them push for it...

 

[portslade seagull]

It wasn't STANDING that killed them any more than SITTING killed the people at Valley Parade (Bradford fire). The terraces could have been reformed into 'safe standing areas', but the anti-football, anti-working class Tory government at the time decided they'd rather have football fans sitting down quietly in nice, numbered seats.

It was a political decision, NOT a safety one - which is one of the reasons I oppose it. I accept you Tories disagree and think it's 'progress', so we are just going to have to differ.

I totally agree with you Brovian it was a total kneejerk reaction to something which was totally unforeseen.

 

[NMH]

Hefty fine my arse what a load of bollocks this no standing rule is..Once the premiershite has wrung almost all the money out of football and the only way to make more is to have safe standing areas watch them push for it...

Strange thing is, I think you'll find that most people DO agree, and that a designated standing area WOULD be great (at the yet-to-be-built stadium), but at the moment there is no such thing at Withdean. I never feel worried that I'm about to go tumbling forward when I stand on the South Stand - but I can see WHY it's a safety issue, and personally I'll accept it as it is.

I'm with you on that portslade seagull - a safe standing area would be excellent.

 

[brightonbear]

Stewards

Some stewards need to have a look at their own behaviour for instance smoking behind the stands before the game. But the stewards we have are no where near as bad as some we've encountered on our travels this season. Oldham being a case in point and Hartlepool where their behaviour after the game to the players and staff was abysmal.

A fair proportion of stewards are only there to get free entry into the ground and couldn't give a stuff about the safety suppoters.

 

[steward 433]

none of you are getting the point though. It's the regulations so sit or we could be fined. I don't appreciate being spat at for just doing my job and yes I would love to see terracing back as its where i grew up in the Goldstone

 

[Kukev31]

none of you are getting the point though. It's the regulations so sit or we could be fined. I don't appreciate being spat at for just doing my job and yes I would love to see terracing back as its where i grew up in the Goldstone

You are missing the point that the club WON'T get fined. No club has been fined for standing. But yes, it is disgusting if you get spat at.