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[Albion] Potter- what’s he up to?



Beanstalk

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I think too many of us are still showing the bruises of a parting that one of the partners didn't want.

My view is that he moved us forward after Hughton ran out of ideas, transformed the playing style and raised our expectations. But while he took us to our highest finish at the time, he was slow to recognise the potential in such players as Ally Mac and Caicedo, and his shortcomings (one home win in the calendar year of 2020, three months without scoring at the Amex) were exposed by the results De Zerbi got from the same squad. His 'history lesson' comments got under our collective skin a bit too.

But he still has to be up there among our best-ever coaches/managers. Top five? Top ten probably.
Very much this, but I'd also argue that whilst all the above is correct, I think the way he behaved at Chelsea about his time at Brighton ("could've stayed at Brighton and had an easy life"/"I did a good job and left Brighton in a good place" etc.) was as damaging as leaving.

At the time, I thought, incorrectly, that we were a big project for him. I know that he turned down a number of very good approaches from big sides before deciding Chelsea was the right fit for his future and I, perhaps foolishly, was convinced that he'd be with us until Southgate stepped down as England manager. It was doubly disappointing to me that the reward for our (and the club's) patience through those pretty stinking periods that led to those incredible, final 12 games under Potter was to watch him go to Chelsea, where he was always going to fail. That we ended up being painted by him as a stepping stone towards bigger things will always sting a little, even if in hindsight, it is an obvious truth that it would always be that way.

I think you can call him a top ten Albion manager, but still feel quite bitter towards him at the same time. He did a very good job in the time he was with us, but the club and fans also created a patient platform for him to succeed that very few other clubs would have. I'm convinced had he not had the remarkable turnaround from Arsenal away at the end of 21/22 and instead got the results we were all expecting to see he may have been out of a job that summer anyway (1 home win in 8 months, 1 goal in 7 games leading up to that). Roberto came in and proved scoring goals and dreaming big was in fact, possible, and delivered something far more memorable than a 9th place finish.
 




Beanstalk

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RDZ's first year was amazing but Potter's last 20 or so games were also right up there with some of the best football we've seen - RDZ rode that wave when he took over. Potter already had that midfield purring.
Lot of talk about re-writing history on here so...

The below is the first seven games of that last 20...

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Rather than being solely facetious, I will say that something seemed to click after that (maybe something to do with giving Moises Caicedo his debut - an option he'd had available for the entirety of the above run) and the last 8 games of that season was pretty sensational but it was entirely against the odds, and whilst we started the following season well, 2 of the 4 victories came against teams who would ultimately go down that season.
 
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chickens

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So, Graham stabilised us while incorporating a new playing style, and we thank him for that.

However, he chose to move from us to a club that was clearly and obviously completely dysfunctional, and where it ended exactly as we all predicted it would.

He failed at Chelsea. I don’t believe the manager exists who could have succeeded there at that time, but he couldn’t impose order on the chaos, he failed.

He’s then taken more than a year off, and seems to be waiting around expecting to be handed the keys to a Champions League qualifying team.

What’s he done that makes him a candidate for that? Name an achievement that would have a top four club looking at Graham Potter in late 2024?
 


Weststander

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Lot of talk about re-writing history on here so...

The below is the first seven games of that last 20...

View attachment 189632

Rather than being solely facetious, I will say that something seemed to click after that (maybe something to do with giving Moises Caicedo his debut - an option he'd had available for the entirety of the above run) and the last 8 games of that season was pretty sensational but it was entirely against the odds, and whilst we started the following season well, 2 of the 4 victories came against teams who would ultimately go down that season.

It was 14 games straddling two seasons.

For some bizarre reason, often rounded up to 20 :lolol: .
 






stewart12

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What a wanker
 


Kosh

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OMG! OMG! Did he say “maybe I need a history lesson”!?! I can't believe it! Outrageos! Hooooly shit! Ohhh... I think I have to log out and go home now.

Edit: Not directed to you Flounce, just a general comment to those who think that is the worst thing they've ever heard.
The history lesson thing didn't bother me in the slightest, moreover the (almost immediate, following his departure) realisation that someone who'd been lucky enough to coach our wonderful club was in actual fact a self-effacing nobber of the highest order.

The transition from plucky PL novice to ‘I’ve been there and done it’ (mostly in his own head) is bordering on the surreal… he’s so busy trying to convince himself that’s he’s unraveling what made him attractive to a club like ours in the first place… a willingness to learn, adapt and develop has been supplanted with a humility bypass and a steadfast and wholly misplaced belief that’s he’s elite by default… it’s an uncomfortable thing to watch/accept, but we appointed someone with a tendency towards a ‘complex’ and not a humble one.

Irrespective of his (Albion) connection, his debatable achievements - I simply can’t abide him as a bloke…
 


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If you work at a university and carry this perspective on education... no shit your boss haven't talked to you for 15 years like you wrote in another thread.
*Erm....

But they haven't spoken to me because I don't go anywhere near them. And it has to do their focus on research money and status, not education. I get on fine with my new academic head of department (in charge of education).

(*You still love Graham, don't you. And I mean really, really love. :lolol: )
 




Paulie Gualtieri

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Overheard at Bohley Heights last night

“Darn, who’s this Gri-ham guy, he talks a lot of sense, maybe he’s the one to replace Rico next month”
 


tstanbur

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Lot of talk about re-writing history on here so...

The below is the first seven games of that last 20...

View attachment 189632

Rather than being solely facetious, I will say that something seemed to click after that (maybe something to do with giving Moises Caicedo his debut - an option he'd had available for the entirety of the above run) and the last 8 games of that season was pretty sensational but it was entirely against the odds, and whilst we started the following season well, 2 of the 4 victories came against teams who would ultimately go down that season.
Who said we were just counting league games ? There were five pre-season friendlies in the middle of the two seasons :ROFLMAO:

Of course Moises contributed massively to that run but he wasn't solely responsible for it. If he could transform a whole team's form by himself then what happened when he first went to Chelsea?
 


tstanbur

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I agree - as said I think Potter is a very good coach and he developed our game to a level we’d not yet seen but wouldn’t personally put him in the same league as De Zerbi who has inspired teams throughout Europe to follow in his footsteps - two of the best EPL managers in modern football rated him as a generational talent. Even our ex-Bundesliga 2 current manager has De Zerbi as one of his major influences.

Pep once said:

"Roberto is one of the most influential managers in the last 20 years”

I have already said Potter (building on what Hughton did for us) took us to new levels and said only a few posts up that we were doing really well and on a run of wins when he left.

I don’t think it should be a competition or a polarised discussion (which Hans Solo is always trying to push ott - if you can’t be 100% starry eyed about Potter then you must have an addled mind and be 100% against him). Both managers had their weaknesses - as most of us have noted ad nauseam on numerous threads and both had their strengths.

- I just enjoyed the inspirational style of football we were playing at peak De Zerbi more than the football we were playing at peak Potter.
Not sure why you're trying to convince me RDZ was so good., I haven't disputed that anywhere.
 




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