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[News] The police.. and not the one with Sting in it



pigmanovich

pigmanovich

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ChickenBaltiPie said:
The actions of our police should be held to a higher standard than the criminals they have the power to arrest. They are not above the law, our laws apply to them too. If they wish to uphold the law then they need to demonstrate the required degree of restraint and respect for it.
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100%. This is what so much controversy around police brutality boils down to really.

All those excusing the officer’s conduct on the grounds that he could not help reacting as he did to an assault on a colleague miss the point that police aren’t like bank tellers or postmen. The flip side of having the authority you have in this job is the responsibility to exercise it proportionately — indeed, in compliance with the very laws you are meant to enforce.

Can’t keep your cool in tense, even violent situations? Consider working in a shop instead. It might sound flippant, but we don’t want people in the military who would commit war crimes as soon as they find themselves under pressure — so why would we have similarly low expectations of law enforcement?
 






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Wardy's twin

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Justice said:
What do you mean here? The fact is he did kick the man’s head in and then stamped on it, you can’t just take it away.

The policeman involved sparked the debate with his violence. Hopefully he will never have another day in the line of duty.
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Agree but there was violence before he got involved and everyone is forgetting that. The point I was trying to make was that if he had not got involved , the violent attack on the policewoman would not have made the news which in my opinion is wrong. I am not condoning what he did
 


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Wardy's twin

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pigmanovich said:
100%. This is what so much controversy around police brutality boils down to really.

All those excusing the officer’s conduct on the grounds that he could not help reacting as he did to an assault on a colleague miss the point that police aren’t like bank tellers or postmen. The flip side of having the authority you have in this job is the responsibility to exercise it proportionately — indeed, in compliance with the very laws you are meant to enforce.

Can’t keep your cool in tense, even violent situations? Consider working in a shop instead. It might sound flippant, but we don’t want people in the military who would commit war crimes as soon as they find themselves under pressure — so why would we have similarly low expectations of law enforcement?
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Agree that we should have high expectations of our police but this incident is being touted as a racist attack rather than say a bloke just loosing it. None of us know why he did this , he certainly crossed the line of acceptable behaviour but where is the evidence it was motivated by racism.
 






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NorthstandRacoon said:
Love how the racists jump to the support of the PC, yet if this was one of their Tommy Robinson mates, they would be spreading vitriol about the officer. Same with the soldier being stabbed, sharing images of a black man, saying it was terrisom. Bloody nonsense and dangerous, does my head in.
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Following on, agree with comments of wankers filming in their face etc. Tough job either way and we don't know the full facts.
 


pigmanovich

pigmanovich

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Wardy's twin said:
Agree that we should have high expectations of our police but this incident is being touted as a racist attack rather than say a bloke just loosing it. None of us know why he did this , he certainly crossed the line of acceptable behaviour but where is the evidence it was motivated by racism.
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To be honest the racism angle is beside the point. What he did looks at first glance to be sufficiently egregious that he should never have an operational role again. If he’s found to have been motivated by racism that only adds to the severity of his actions but it’s damning as it is.
 


Eeyore

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pigmanovich said:
100%. This is what so much controversy around police brutality boils down to really.

All those excusing the officer’s conduct on the grounds that he could not help reacting as he did to an assault on a colleague miss the point that police aren’t like bank tellers or postmen. The flip side of having the authority you have in this job is the responsibility to exercise it proportionately — indeed, in compliance with the very laws you are meant to enforce.

Can’t keep your cool in tense, even violent situations? Consider working in a shop instead. It might sound flippant, but we don’t want people in the military who would commit war crimes as soon as they find themselves under pressure — so why would we have similarly low expectations of law enforcement?
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That's about it really. I don't know why this is even a debate. From what we know a group of people at the airport committed violent acts. There were arrests and the law is there to deal with that. The police have the right to use reasonable force in these situations. No sensible person disputes that. They do not have the right to kick and then stamp the head of a fully restrained suspect. That is not self defence, that is retaliation. The police are there to uphold the law, not to create their own.

Conversely, there is no evidence of a racial motive until there is. The officer may well have stuck the boot in if it had been a white person.

The very folk who say they were right are likely the same who complained about the police at football matches way back when.
 
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Thunder Bolt

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The Clamp said:
The sort of dickhead that kicks off against armed police could likely do with a bit of sense knocked into them.

No sympathy. Move on.
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There were six arrests. The family involved (two brothers and the mother)were released without charge.
This would seem to indicate others were doing something?

Lots more information to come out yet before anyone makes judgments.
 


drew

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Wardy's twin said:
Agree but there was violence before he got involved and everyone is forgetting that. The point I was trying to make was that if he had not got involved , the violent attack on the policewoman would not have made the news which in my opinion is wrong. I am not condoning what he did
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Can't speak for everyone, but pretty sure most on here who are condemning the kick and stamp have not forgotten the preceding violence. I, and I suspect many others, are just saying that whatever happened before the scenes in the clip doesn't legitimise what the officer did.
 




Justice

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The Clamp said:
The sort of dickhead that kicks off against armed police could likely do with a bit of sense knocked into them.

No sympathy. Move on.
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Shows how little respect people have for the Police in this country. Just maybe members of the police force shouldn’t go around killing and raping or beating people to death on our streets.

You could argue it’s dickheads kicking off against dickheads in this case.
If you take away the police uniform what are we watching a couple of blokes piling into a fella who’s already down on the floor.
 








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Thunder Bolt said:
There were six arrests. The family involved (two brothers and the mother)were released without charge.
This would seem to indicate others were doing something?
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I don't think anyone has been charged yet have they ?

This is now a very public issue and do you think that maybe there are no charges yet, due to ensuring that the whole sequence of events are very carefully examined....?
 


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Most men have a basic instinct to protect women and children,having seen a female colleague punched and having her nose broken with the resulting bloody outcome might go some way to explain his over reaction.
 




Right Brain Ronnie

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Thunder Bolt said:
As do I. Somehow I‘ve managed to negotiate airports without ever being hit by a baggage trolley.
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A few incident obviously occur or insurance companies wouldn't toute for it, I reckon.
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Thunder Bolt said:
There were six arrests. The family involved (two brothers and the mother)were released without charge.
This would seem to indicate others were doing something?

Lots more information to come out yet before anyone makes judgments.
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Please help me understand the whataboutery meaning you used the other day, does this not qualify or is it okay?

Honestly some of these newly made up phrases are difficult for me to fully understand.
 




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hans kraay fan club said:
What did he say?

In terms of both incidents involving dangerous and disproportionate force by a police officer, after the point at which a suspect had been subdued - he’d have a point.

Any other move to conflate the two cases would seem unhelpful, I agree.
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Annoyingly I can't find the LBC clip now

It was along the lines of pretty much what I said, we don't want another George Floyd,

He seems unhelpful in calming things down in general

This morning, the teenager's controversial solicitor Akhmed Yakoob described the incident as an 'attempted assassination, the joint enterprise assassination of the young boys by the police officers'.

Speaking to LBC radio , Mr Yakoob added: 'That is concerning because if police officers who are meant to protect us are going around trying to kill people. I mean, how are the public going to feel safe?'

Questioned by presenter Nick Ferrari over his use of the word 'assassination', Mr Yakoob said: 'Kill, yeah. They were threatened to kill, one of the boys were threatened to get killed by a police officer.'

Unhelpful language, which is only going to stir things up further.
 


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Justice said:
Shows how little respect people have for the Police in this country. Just maybe members of the police force shouldn’t go around killing and raping or beating people to death on our streets.

You could argue it’s dickheads kicking off against dickheads in this case.
If you take away the police uniform what are we watching a couple of blokes piling into a fella who’s already down on the floor.
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People have lost respect in the police service for a number of reasons (certain crimes not investigated/delay in help etc ) a bit like the NHS I guess, majority that work in it are trying their best, but it's a broken system.
 
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