Bold Seagull
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Architect Frei Otto managed an amazing steel cable acrylic glass tent structure with the 1972 Munich Olympic stadium. Still in use, still looks amazing.
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[Football] Manchester United "What the F'kn hell is that"
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Behind Enemy Lines
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Are you really saying that Stratford hasn't improved since the Olympics?
Isn't such things highly subjective?
In our time, "improvement" in the shaping of a city or area means high-rise buildings made of glass and steel and streets packed with braindead yuppies with too much money, because thats what Hollywood says a city should look, feel and be like.
BrickTamland
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Does it have a monorail?
Taybha
Whalewhine
A club that basically has no money whatsoever submits this and will probably get planning permission granted by Willy Wonka,this plunging them into a unsustainable debt resulting in points deductions and ultimately relegation,I love it go for it you crazy Americans.
portlock seagull
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- Jul 28, 2003
- 18,661
Because of, or in spite of?
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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I'm really enjoying people seeing a hugely successful businessman going in, assessing every penny spent at the club, making decisions which are causing uproar but are being done solely for monetary purposes ....and YET, people think he maybe hasn't considered how to fund a new stadium.
I reckon he probably has it on his spreadsheet.
I reckon he probably has it on his spreadsheet.
Doug-ees-evil
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- Nov 18, 2011
- 122
Watching the Liverpool PSG game last night, I was struck by how great Anfield looked on some of the aerial camera pans outside the ground. Having been to Anfield I think three times now since promotion, it is by far and away my favourite away ground and the one I am most impressed with.
The reasons being, it is immaculate, imposing, smart and has that wow factor when you see it from distance and up close. It has of course unbelievable heritage and I just think the US owners there (Fenway?) have done a tremendous job of just a) improving and adding to an iconic ground and b) most importantly maintaining it.
On my visits I've been super impressed by how clean it all is, the pointing is immaculate, the red fascias spotless, that main stand is amazing, even the away end is great. There is no litter on the outside concourses (from my experiences anyway), and the club shop with club museum and cafe is the best I've ever been in (after FC Barcelona, which is three-storey superstore!).
My point is... what's stopping Man U doing an incredible renovation job of Old Trafford? They could probably push it to 90,000 by improving their lowest height stand, replace the entire roof, re-skin the whole stadium, redo the brickwork (marketing spin... inspired by the Manchester brickwork along the famous canals in the region) etc. I've no idea if they can claw back more space around the ground to create bigger fanzones and communal areas but this would obviously help. Maybe go for the replaceable / retractable turf under the ground like Real Madrid?
I'm not in construction so this all might be financially and technically unviable, but surely it's cheaper than the eye-watering sums quoted for Offshore Jim's big top tent world? This way the iconic Old Trafford and all it's heritage is preserved – and you know, if they just looked after it and actually bloody maintained it like Liverpool do then it could be a win-win. After all Man Utd.. despite most fans dislike of them, are a club with an almost unrivalled history and then Old Trafford remains its iconic home - but modernised.
The reasons being, it is immaculate, imposing, smart and has that wow factor when you see it from distance and up close. It has of course unbelievable heritage and I just think the US owners there (Fenway?) have done a tremendous job of just a) improving and adding to an iconic ground and b) most importantly maintaining it.
On my visits I've been super impressed by how clean it all is, the pointing is immaculate, the red fascias spotless, that main stand is amazing, even the away end is great. There is no litter on the outside concourses (from my experiences anyway), and the club shop with club museum and cafe is the best I've ever been in (after FC Barcelona, which is three-storey superstore!).
My point is... what's stopping Man U doing an incredible renovation job of Old Trafford? They could probably push it to 90,000 by improving their lowest height stand, replace the entire roof, re-skin the whole stadium, redo the brickwork (marketing spin... inspired by the Manchester brickwork along the famous canals in the region) etc. I've no idea if they can claw back more space around the ground to create bigger fanzones and communal areas but this would obviously help. Maybe go for the replaceable / retractable turf under the ground like Real Madrid?
I'm not in construction so this all might be financially and technically unviable, but surely it's cheaper than the eye-watering sums quoted for Offshore Jim's big top tent world? This way the iconic Old Trafford and all it's heritage is preserved – and you know, if they just looked after it and actually bloody maintained it like Liverpool do then it could be a win-win. After all Man Utd.. despite most fans dislike of them, are a club with an almost unrivalled history and then Old Trafford remains its iconic home - but modernised.
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I'm not 100% sure on the detail but I think that stand sits over a railway track and cannot be enlarged.
Doug-ees-evil
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- Nov 18, 2011
- 122
Ah... bugger. That would be a deal breaker then.
Not read all the details but guessing it will be a multi-purpose stadium (probably necessary to make it financially viable) and could be tricky converting a 100+ year stadium into that.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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There's a railway line behind the Old Trafford South Stand which already butts up against the trackbed. Further redevelopment of that site is only possible on 3 sides.
Doug-ees-evil
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- Nov 18, 2011
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Doug-ees-evil
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- Nov 18, 2011
- 122
Yes... am sure you're right. It's a shame from an ideology point of view.
Am trying to think of the best new stadium that isn't a bit soulless though (which can happen when you have to please so many stakeholders, multi-purpose criteria and fit 17 Starbucks in there). There's nothing wrong with the view inside OT but it's been left to rot really through years of mismanagement and neglect.
Spurs is probably the best 'inside' the ground. But outside looks like a naff hotel and the surrounding area is well.. bleak.
And West Ham/Olympic stadium I've sworn never to go back to (despite us having an unbelievable record there) because I just feel utterly depresssed every time I go there. Utd have to get this spot on though. Will be interesting to see what the final stadium looks like after all the various challenges and watering down processes.
Well there's a lot of regulations when building new stadiums... they are always going to be a bit safer, cleaner and kind of more artificial.
But at least they're looking to build one quite unique, one that doesn't look like the toilet ring 80% of new stadiums have looked like for the last 25 years.
Doug-ees-evil
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- Nov 18, 2011
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Yup.. it's certainly unique. Still don't rate that net/tent look though, but will be pleased to be proved wrong and surprised.
Monkey Man
Your support is not that great
I quite like the Salford Quays/Media City area that sits beside Old Trafford and would say it's already one of the UK's most successful urban regeneration projects.
I can't quite get my head around why the area a 5-minute walk away would qualify for so much public money. I understand why Man U would be interested in building a new stadium, but to claim this part of Manchester/Salford is in need of huge government hand-outs to make it happen seems questionable.
I can't quite get my head around why the area a 5-minute walk away would qualify for so much public money. I understand why Man U would be interested in building a new stadium, but to claim this part of Manchester/Salford is in need of huge government hand-outs to make it happen seems questionable.
