[Football] You're the Ref (again)

[Official Old Man]

More technical rather than the incompetence of the ref v Chelsea.
A foul is commited but unseen by either the ref, lino or 4th official, despite being right in front of all three. Simultaneously a substitution is being made and, by chance, the player who commited the foul is taken off, he was stood right next to the bench so this swop took seconds. But then VAR calls to the ref to have a look at a foul commited by the player he has permitted to leave, which then results in a red card.
As the guilty player is now off the pitch, how does a red card work?
Is he told to return and the substitute sent back to the bench, but surely the substitution has been made.
Is he given a red but the team continue with 11 players.

 

[pasty]

Don’t know the answer, but if Utd can be given a penalty after the final whistle, I suspect the substitution should be nullified and the player sent off.

 

[BBassic]

I would imagine because the offence occurred whilst he was on the pitch that the sub is cancelled and that team is down to ten men.

But that seems far too sensible so is probably wrong.

 

[Eeyore]

If the foul was committed whilst the player was on the pitch then, yes, they must continue with 10 men.

 

[American Seagle]

More technical rather than the incompetence of the ref v Chelsea.
A foul is commited but unseen by either the ref, lino or 4th official, despite being right in front of all three. Simultaneously a substitution is being made and, by chance, the player who commited the foul is taken off, he was stood right next to the bench so this swop took seconds. But then VAR calls to the ref to have a look at a foul commited by the player he has permitted to leave, which then results in a red card.
As the guilty player is now off the pitch, how does a red card work?
Is he told to return and the substitute sent back to the bench, but surely the substitution has been made.
Is he given a red but the team continue with 11 players.

Surely if the officials are doing their jobs the substitution would not be allowed to happen until the check is completed. All the officials in the ground would know they are looking at something so the game pauses. That means no substitution would occur until the check is completed.

 

[Bob!]

While we are playing this game, I have a question relating to last night's non-penalty awarded, then VAR'd off, to Chelsea.
Why was play restarted with a drop ball to the keeper rather than a corner?

 

[timbha]

Was the (wrong) decision made before the ball left the field of play, therefore stopping play at this point?

 

[Official Old Man]

Surely if the officials are doing their jobs the substitution would not be allowed to happen until the check is completed. All the officials in the ground would know they are looking at something so the game pauses. That means no substitution would occur until the check is completed.

I haven't seen the full game replay yet, but substitutions were being made and players were ready to come on. I think they may have been changed before the ref was made aware of the VAR looking into the incident.

 

[Gwylan]

While we are playing this game, I have a question relating to last night's non-penalty awarded, then VAR'd off, to Chelsea.
Why was play restarted with a drop ball to the keeper rather than a corner?

Because the ref was dreadful

 

[Bodian]

I haven't seen the full game replay yet, but substitutions were being made and players were ready to come on. I think they may have been changed before the ref was made aware of the VAR looking into the incident.

You mean this actually happened?? I thought it was some hypothetical situation!

 

[Bob!]

Was the (wrong) decision made before the ball left the field of play, therefore stopping play at this point?

The ball would have been out of play well before he made a decision.
I thought he was (wrongly) giving us a goal kick.

 

[A1X]

The opposing team should be allowed to nominate a player to be sent off in their place IMHO

 

[Titanic]

While we are playing this game, I have a question relating to last night's non-penalty awarded, then VAR'd off, to Chelsea.
Why was play restarted with a drop ball to the keeper rather than a corner?

Because the referee gave the penalty.

 

[ROSM]

Because the ref was dreadful

It was because he forgot that the tackle had led to a corner. In short he couldn't remember of he blew for the pen while the ball was still in play.

 

[Bob!]

Because the referee gave the penalty.

So
Why not give the correct decision then?
The ball went out of play, corner.

 

[superseagull1994]

Sub nullified and returned, offending player sent off and their side down to 10 men. If the team has the available sub opportunities they can make the sub again removing a different player.

 

[nsclurker]

The game stopped at the moment he blew for a penalty. As it was overturned, play restarted with a drop ball for us.

One of the few things he got right.

 

[Titanic]

So
Why not give the correct decision then?
The ball went out of play, corner.

VAR does not make judgements on corners, throw ins etc... they simply overturned the penalty decision.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If you can read brail, maybe take a look in the official referees guidebook?

 

[METALMICKY]

While we are playing this game, I have a question relating to last night's non-penalty awarded, then VAR'd off, to Chelsea.
Why was play restarted with a drop ball to the keeper rather than a corner?

That's the curious rule. The Sky app commentary mentioned it