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You Be The Ref - Bournemouth's disallowed goal



Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,468
Brighton
He stood there and shuffled a bit. The keeper could easily have avoided kicking it at him.

Why should the goalie have to waste his own time changing direction? The onus is on Wilson to get out of the goalie's way, according to the laws of the game.

Ref got it spot on and applied the rules accurately.
 




drew

Drew
NSC Patron
Oct 3, 2006
23,614
Burgess Hill
Should have been a goal purely on the basis that the goalkeeper didn't need to kick it against him. Had he moved to the side a few more steps and Wilson mirrored that then yes he would be attempting to block the kick. Problem would be that the ref would be 30/40 yrds away in a position and probably didn't see all that led up to it. Should have been helped by his 'lino' but that would be expecting too much!
 




Sheebo

Well-known member
Jul 13, 2003
29,319
Agree, it was obstruction. Nothing like old Sneaky George...???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVcVCH80cQY

I bet in this day and age, and to avoid the possibility of a much scrutinised mistake or dodgy decision (even though it wasn't), most refs would give a free kick for Paris' perfectly legitimate tackle - just because the goalie got a bit of rough contact!
 


perseus

Broad Blue & White stripe
Jul 5, 2003
23,461
Sūþseaxna
The keeper quite deliberately chose to kick the ball where Wilson was standing. He didn't need to - he could have moved along the area, but he kicked it at Wilson on purpose.

Wilson was being a bit of a dick , but he was standing still a long way from the keeper before the ball was kicked at him.

Definitely a goal in my book. The keeper would have deserved it for behaving like an arse.

Keeper deliberately kicked the ball at the opponent. Should have been sent off as well as goal! :jester:
 






bhawoddy

Well-known member
Jan 25, 2011
3,621
Not sure how standing still on the pitch warrants a foul. If the keeper wants to kick it straight at him then fine. Goal should have stood no question as the striker did nothing to warrant a foul
 


bhawoddy

Well-known member
Jan 25, 2011
3,621
Ref is correct. It is black and white in the laws of the game. Why is there a debate at all? It is not even an interpretation issue. The kick is blocked by the player and that is not allowed. End.

Th guy didn't move, the keeper could have easily run either side and kicked it. Looks like the keeper got annoyed that he just stood there and deliberately booted it at him. More fool him. Goal should stand
 




Garage_Doors

Originally the Swankers
Jun 28, 2008
11,790
Brighton
Ref is correct. It is black and white in the laws of the game. Why is there a debate at all? It is not even an interpretation issue. The kick is blocked by the player and that is not allowed. End.

Wrong, Keeper ran towards the player with the ball, it the attackers responsibility not to impede the keeper, not run away when being ran at.
 


neilbard

Hedging up
Oct 8, 2013
6,280
If that had been us playing Bournemouth the ref would have given it! :facepalm:
 








Everest

Me
Jul 5, 2003
20,741
Southwick
Once the keeper goes to kick it the ball it is in play and isn't it the other teams job to tackle, block or intercept the ball and so it should be allowed as no rule regarding distance from keeper is in place.

The ball is considered to still be in the keeper's possession until AFTER he has cleared it. It doesn't matter if he's not touching it at the time.


The forward didn't block the goalkeeper, he blocked the ball; .

Nail on head, and that is an offence.
 
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Creaky

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Mar 26, 2013
3,862
Hookwood - Nr Horley
Wrong, Keeper ran towards the player with the ball, it the attackers responsibility not to impede the keeper, not run away when being ran at.

And the FA "Laws of the Game" appear to support this view

All players have a right to their position on the field of play
, being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.
 




Mellotron

I've asked for soup
Jul 2, 2008
32,468
Brighton
And the FA "Laws of the Game" appear to support this view


The fuller quote:

12.17 PREVENTING THE GOALKEEPER FROM RELEASING THE BALL INTO PLAY

An opponent may not prevent the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands. While players have a right to maintain a position achieved during the normal course of play, they may not try to block the goalkeeper's movement while he is holding the ball or do anything which hinders, interferes with, or blocks the goalkeeper who is throwing or kicking the ball back into play.

The player knew EXACTLY what he was doing by getting in the way. Onus is on him to move out of the way, he didn't, he interfered with the keeper kicking it out and the ref got it spot on.
 


The fuller quote:

12.17 PREVENTING THE GOALKEEPER FROM RELEASING THE BALL INTO PLAY

An opponent may not prevent the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands. While players have a right to maintain a position achieved during the normal course of play, they may not try to block the goalkeeper's movement while he is holding the ball or do anything which hinders, interferes with, or blocks the goalkeeper who is throwing or kicking the ball back into play.

The player knew EXACTLY what he was doing by getting in the way. Onus is on him to move out of the way, he didn't, he interfered with the keeper kicking it out and the ref got it spot on.

Do you think that the rule was designed in stop this kind of block though? He doesn't physically impede the 'keeper, just blocks the space into which the 'keeper kicks the ball. The law specifically says that you can't interfere with the 'keeper and his movements, nothing about the ball. It's obviously pretty cynical, but I'd probably give it.

The ball is considered to still be in the keeper's possession until AFTER he has cleared it. It doesn't matter if he's not touching it at the time.

Nail on head, and that is an offence.

Where does it say this in the laws? I understood the ball to be in the keeper's possession while he's in the act of clearing the ball - so you can't intercept it during a drop kick when the ball is between hand and foot - but in this case he's completed his kick unimpeded.
 


Creaky

Well-known member
Mar 26, 2013
3,862
Hookwood - Nr Horley
The fuller quote:

12.17 PREVENTING THE GOALKEEPER FROM RELEASING THE BALL INTO PLAY

An opponent may not prevent the goalkeeper from releasing the ball from his hands. While players have a right to maintain a position achieved during the normal course of play, they may not try to block the goalkeeper's movement while he is holding the ball or do anything which hinders, interferes with, or blocks the goalkeeper who is throwing or kicking the ball back into play.

The player knew EXACTLY what he was doing by getting in the way. Onus is on him to move out of the way, he didn't, he interfered with the keeper kicking it out and the ref got it spot on.

Nothing in that law says the onus is on a player to move out of the way.

The law states what a player must not do, (i.e. try to block the goalkeeper's movement) - maintaining a position is passive, trying to do something requires an action.

The only action Wilson took prior to the goalkeeper attempting a clearance was away from the GK.
 






maltaseagull

Well-known member
Feb 25, 2009
13,361
Zabbar- Malta
Had they guy moved into the direction of the kick then I would agree with the ref but he was stood still with his back to the keeper. The keeper has the whole of the area to kick the ball, he knew exactly where the ball was going to end up by kicking it from where he did.

I'd have given the goal

I sort of agree with you.He didn't move to block the kick. Goalie was stupid making a point by kicking the ball at the striker.
Goalies have far too much protection as it is.
 


Brighton Boy

New member
Nov 11, 2003
2,463
Lancing
The ball is considered to still be in the keeper's possession until AFTER he has cleared it. It doesn't matter if he's not touching it at the time.

Once the keeper has kicked it the ball is back in play. If the keeper tosses it up to kick it and it's Intercepted before he has kicked it than fine. But like any other "dead ball" once it is kicked then it's back in play. No rule is in place to say he should be 10 yards away from the ball so I can't see much wrong.
 


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