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Y is the Left so silent on ZIMBABWE.
- Thread starter Leekbrookgull
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steward 433
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Waste send it up on the next rocket to the planet Mars warm it up so we can move there in 1000 years
Uranium is quite expensive to mine as well i gather!!!
steward 433
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Fair enough but oil will have run a lot dryer by then and half the world will be way under the poverty line
fork me
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:thud:this is 2008 FFS how come we haven't sorted this out by now?? I mean look at the breakthroughs we made 50 years ago to 100 years ago we are slowing down in the brain dept
We're not slowing down at all, the problems are just becoming more complex. Also, in the early years of alternative engine design a lot of the prototypes/patents etc were bought and witheld by, guess who?, the oil companies.
Not in their interest you see.
Technology hasn't really slowed down at all, when I was at school the Internet couldn't even be imagined, hell, it took me a while to believe they could fit 64k of RAM in a Commodore.
We've come a long way, but there's still a lot further to go.
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Southover Street Seagull
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Do they have wind turbines in Zimbabwe?
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Southover Street Seagull
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I will, and will ask Bob to shave his Hitler moustache off the f***ing ****!
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beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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grow up. every time this is said it ignores the fundemental problem that the other neighbouring countries are sitting on their hands. its got f*** all to do with oil, but a lack of willingness to get involved against a leader they actually symapthise with idilogically - thats why the left are silent too.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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another myth. the oil companies didnt get established until after the oil based combustion engine was well on its way to becoming the established norm. Patents only last 15-20 years, how come we havnt seen alternatives since the patents expired? are all the suitably experienced engineers in the pay of oil companies?
Lord Bracknell
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South Yarra Seagull
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This interview with Zimbabwe's TOURISM minister (bet he is a busy bloke) made me laugh and almost cry at the same time
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/newsradio/audio/20080619-zim.mp3
Such a shame that there is no genuine incentive to intervene in any meaningful way over there.
http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/newsradio/audio/20080619-zim.mp3
Such a shame that there is no genuine incentive to intervene in any meaningful way over there.
Dandyman
In London village.
As always rather depends on who you regard as the "left" and who you regard as representative of an entire continent.
It was South African dock workers who refused to unload Chinese weapons destined for Zimbabwe, while the world's ruling elites did nothing.
Bernard Membe, Tanzania's Foreign Minister is quoted in the papers as saying "There is every sign that these elections will never be free nor fair."
Mose Wetang'ula, Kenyan Foreign Minister, is also quoted as saying "Anything less than a fair election is an affront and unacceptable to all people in Africa"
Rwanda's President, Paul Kagame, has called the Election process a "Joke".
To judge Africa or Africans only on the basis of Mbeki and his ilk is like judging this country only on the likes of Brown or Cameron.
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1066gull
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Doom and gloom 
You know, its YOUR GENERATION who have got us in this MESS and it is OUR generation who have to get us out of it when there will probably be one massive Civil War on a global scale.
Humanities success will eventually implode and kill us all.
You know, its YOUR GENERATION who have got us in this MESS and it is OUR generation who have to get us out of it when there will probably be one massive Civil War on a global scale.
Humanities success will eventually implode and kill us all.
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
Doom and gloom
You know, its YOUR GENERATION who have got us in this MESS and it is OUR generation who have to get us out of it when there will probably be one massive Civil War on a global scale.
Humanities success will eventually implode and kill us all.
What?!? It is nothing to do with one generation or another, it is the nature of humanity. Do you seriously believe that war was started by this generation? Is that why we've not had any wars before them? And do you seriously believe that it will get sorted out magically?
People are greedy, they are corrupt, they are fuckers. They also look out for number one. If everyone had the greater good as their primary concern, we would be fine. It is the selfishness of the human race that has put us where we are, and that will continue for ever and a day.
withdeanwombat
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Well,........................there's that nice poppy oil,and cod liver oil.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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you're quite right, there have been voices against Mugabe, but thats all, no action or call to action. As the major power in the region, South Africa and Mbeki has been too timid. i read an op-ed recently that highlighted a certain Mandela has said very little. There no appetite to outright tell Mugabe to go, or force him, thats too colonial, too western, they want Africans to be makers of their own destiny, even if that means hardship along the way. As for "the left" i was thinking about middle-class intellectual socialist here which i thought was rather the subject of the thread. they will trot out "theres no oil" rather than examine the real reasons for so little effort and pressure to put into resolving the issue.
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Do you consider that a grown up response?
Let's look at US intervention over the last 20 or so years.
Kuwait: Oil, straight in.
Bosnia: No oil, did bugger all.
Rwanda: No oil, did bugger all.
Somalia: Very close to the oil, went in and messed it up big time.
Afghanistan: Need a pipeline, strauight in. (It's also worth noting that the planning and initial troop movements for Afghanistan happened BEFORE 9/11)
Iraq: Oil. Straight in.
North Korea: No oil. Us not committing themselves at all.
Bullshit, the reason the neighbours aren't going in is because if they started a war with Zimbabwe it would destabilise the whole region. Try actually looking at the bigger picture.
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
The point is also that Mbeki is current chair of the African Union (or whatever they are called, forgive my ignorance), and as such is currently the voice for the governments of the whole continent. He has offered up one or two slightly non-complimentary statements, but as beorhthelm says, there is no appetite to actually step in and force anything.