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[Football] Would you replace Southgate mid tournament?
- Thread starter Couldn't Be Hyypia
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Venables had just as good squad IMHO and then there was the golden generation that won FA ( can’t remember the manager. Maybe just maybe England aren’t as good as we think they are ??
Replacing him mid-tournament would be hilarious, but it isn't going to happen.
He is just so limited tactically. Bringing Gallagher on at 60 minutes (again) "because we needed some more energy in the middle". That's genuinely the sort of thing I would expect my son's Under 10 Coach to say. Was that really the best our national team manager could do? When you look at how Potter used to influence and change games in the middle of them, often two or three times in a game, it's an utter embarrassment that our national team Coach can't sort out a team with possibly the best attacking line-up on the planet to get them to dominate a bang-average international side.
He is just so limited tactically. Bringing Gallagher on at 60 minutes (again) "because we needed some more energy in the middle". That's genuinely the sort of thing I would expect my son's Under 10 Coach to say. Was that really the best our national team manager could do? When you look at how Potter used to influence and change games in the middle of them, often two or three times in a game, it's an utter embarrassment that our national team Coach can't sort out a team with possibly the best attacking line-up on the planet to get them to dominate a bang-average international side.
He has no interest in entertainment Just about winning even if it is 1-0 and then sitting back. He has all but got to next round and will do the same and whose to say he wont get to final playing this way.. Very much like wwhat David Moyes did at West Ham. Crap to watch but won a trophy and got to Europe several times.
Don Tmatter
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If the FA wanted to win it they’d have binned the palace prick off and got RDZ in as coach for the tournament
Difference is Moyes won something, Southgate won’t
Somethingdean
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- May 18, 2019
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It would be preposterous to sack the manager after winning one and drawing one. Everyone needs to calm down.
Actually, f*** it, let's parachute in Warnock to save the day!
Actually, f*** it, let's parachute in Warnock to save the day!
Jackthelad
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- Mar 31, 2010
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We'd all take that if it worked. I just can't see it at the moment.
And there in lies the problem. By the players he's seen as a brother rather than a strict father. For too long he's picked his favourites regardless of form ... or even actually playing many games.
Time for a replacement and now .... maybe Klopp would be happy for a few matches of extra money to top up his retirement fund.
- Nov 15, 2006
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I was suggesting exactly this on 60 mins to mates on a Whatsapp chat last night. Watching Southgate’s England makes me angry, even when we win. Pity the poor fans at whatever League club he ends up at when he quits England after we get knocked out. Imagine watching such clueless tactics week in week out!
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We scraped a win against a very low ranked side and dodged a bullet against Denmark. Does that really give you any confidence should we go through and play a half decent team? Really?
I agree. The squad is fine, but I do wish he'd use it more. The last two games have been crying out for width on the left and Gordon hasn't got a minute of game time. TAA isn't a midfielder, he never has been. Why bother taking Gallagher, Mainoo and Wharton who actually play in that position if you end up playing a converted full back with known defensive weaknesses in defensive midfield? Rice is a great player, but he has do to everything in midfield at the moment.
There are also some issues that are concerning, but also may be out of his control.
- Foden is poor for England because he doesn't have Pep holding the controller. He's a freak of a manager in terms of attention to detail.
- We don't have any left backs fit that can provide width. Chilwell has been awful this season, Gomez and Colwill aren't left backs and Mitchell is another Palace player to bring down the mood. Shaw and Trippier are the only options. One is injured and the other offers no width
- The level of hype around this squad has been stupid. Our defence is the weakest it's been in a while and is unbalanced, our midfield is unbalanced.
As much as I like the fact that he's freshened it up, Mainoo (4), Dunk (6), Wharton (1), Palmer (4), Eze (5), Gordon (3), Watkins (3) and Toney (1) have only minimal experience and 4 of those were capped for this first time this year.
Anyway, that said, sacking Southgate mid-tournament is madness. He's proven to take us deep in tournaments (deeper than most), he has the absolute loyalty of his squad (which would smash morale if he left now) and we do grow into competitions with him. Who knows, maybe this slow start is just great tournament management?
Didn’t Greece win the euros by playing some really boring football only once scoring more than 1 goal a game…..But did they care in Greece did they #%&£
I had forgotten the game was on yesterday and had my attention on India vs Afghanistan in the t20 World Cup.
If we had another manager, I'd tune in.
So yes, I would change now (but obvs the FA won't)
He has the most talented players any England manager has had at his disposal, yet consistently serves up functional yet dull football which often comes unstuck against quality sides or in key games.
At this stage, we need a vibes man who can inspire, not a bland, average plodder with no in-game management.
If we had another manager, I'd tune in.
So yes, I would change now (but obvs the FA won't)
He has the most talented players any England manager has had at his disposal, yet consistently serves up functional yet dull football which often comes unstuck against quality sides or in key games.
At this stage, we need a vibes man who can inspire, not a bland, average plodder with no in-game management.
If I was put in charge now, no I wouldn't. It would mess with the players and it would be difficult getting someone good enough in that quick to fix it. But the point is, it should never have come to this. It's 100% the FA's fault.
As soon as we're dumped out, we need to get Klopp in asap.
Uncle Spielberg
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Yes, he is absolutely clueless he should have gone after bottling it against Italy in 2021
Justice
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That bookie that’s offering 100/1 on England lifting the trophy what a clean up.
Southgate deserves some of the blame but I’m surprised that hardly anyone is calling out the players.
Nearly all had shocking games full of mistakes. Multiple basic passing errors, getting caught in possession and lack of fight/energy can’t all be down to the manager.
They’re supposed to be some of the best players on the planet.
Nearly all had shocking games full of mistakes. Multiple basic passing errors, getting caught in possession and lack of fight/energy can’t all be down to the manager.
They’re supposed to be some of the best players on the planet.