Would you, if circumstances allowed, Forgive Gus and welcome him back to the Albion?

[maltaseagull]

If we are talking about bringing him back as he was quite successful, why don't we bring back possibly the most successful manager we had to help Sami?

Alan Mullery ---------------oh

(Otherwise it's a no, why would he want to and why would we want him back?)

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Where is the option for i felt he had done anything that needs forgiving?

He wanted to move up and manage in the top flight - as did Mickey Adams in his first spell, but do they criticise him for that?
After the failure against Palace, many fans felt they had to take sides and it was either the club or Gus to blame and they chose to back the club over Gus when it could be argued that neither did much wrong. - As we have no idea what the Gross Misconduct thing was all about, how can he fairly judged on it by the fans?

- If right for everyone concerned (club and Gus himself) then i have no problem with him returning however that doesn't mean i see it ever happening.

 

[Bladders]

Where is the option for i felt he had done anything that needs forgiving?

He wanted to move up and manage in the top flight - as did Mickey Adams in his first spell, but do they criticise him for that?
After the failure against Palace, many fans felt they had to take sides and it was either the club or Gus to blame and they chose to back the club over Gus when it could be argued that neither did much wrong. - As we have no idea what the Gross Misconduct thing was all about, how can he fairly judged on it by the fans?

- If right for everyone concerned (club and Gus himself) then i have no problem with him returning however that doesn't mean i see it ever happening.

How about trying to walk out on the club 4 days before the Palace game?

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

He's another Redknapp, needs to spend spend spend to get a bit of success but ultimately he failed to deliver, unless you feel a L1 title is worth that level of cost .

Kusczak - Free transfer
Calderon/Bruno - Free?
Upson- Free
Greer - 250k
Bridge - loan
Bridcutt - Free
Buckley £1.5m
Crofts - £500k? (cant remember)
David Lopez - Free
KLL - Can't remember how much he was.
Ulloa - £2.5m?

Yeah. Expensive starting 11 that. Sure you can argue wages, but that would have been negotiated by the powers that me.

Sure, you can throw CMS at me but I'll just respond with us selling Bridcutt, Buckley and Ulloa for around £13m+

I can handle people blaming a football manager for his management of the football.

I cant handle a football manager being blamed for the job of an accountant, Chief executive and chairman. It's not actually LIKE football manager where Gus pays the money.

When I was a child I really wanted some Addidas preditors. My mum said I couldnt afford them. I didn't get them, no matter how much I said I would be better with them.
IF she had let me have them, and then failed to meet repayments on her mortgage and lose her house, then I'm not to blame, now matter how good I am in my new boots.

 

[Mellotron]

Doesn't hide the FACT that all he achieved during his tenure was a L1 title. How much did the club spend in supporting him during his time here again?

Because that's such small beans in our illustrious history, being at one stage SIXTEEN points clear of a Saints side including the likes of Lallana and Lambert? Really awful wasn't it?

2 of the highest finishes in our entire history. Brought some of the best players we've ever seen at the club, at times playing utterly glorious football. Made us a solid Championship club.

Much less than plenty of other sides, and we still overachieved in comparison.

 

[Bladders]

Kusczak - Free transfer
Calderon/Bruno - Free?
Upson- Free
Greer - 250k
Bridge - loan
Bridcutt - Free
Buckley £1.5m
Crofts - £500k? (cant remember)
David Lopez - Free
KLL - Can't remember how much he was.
Ulloa - £2.5m?

Yeah. Expensive starting 11 that. Sure you can argue wages, but that would have been negotiated by the powers that me.

Sure, you can throw CMS at me but I'll just respond with us selling Bridcutt, Buckley and Ulloa for around £13m+

I can handle people blaming a football manager for his management of the football.

I cant handle a football manager being blamed for the job of an accountant, Chief executive and chairman. It's not actually LIKE football manager where Gus pays the money.

When I was a child I really wanted some Addidas preditors. My mum said I couldnt afford them. I didn't get them, no matter how much I said I would be better with them.
IF she had let me have them, and then failed to meet repayments on her mortgage and lose her house, then I'm not to blame, now matter how good I am in my new boots.

Yes I would argue wages, and signing on fees and whatever agents made as well.

You forgot Ryan Harley too.

I'd wager that his team was the most expensive Albion team assembled by far to this day.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Gus have huge control over spending which Barber then took away?

 

[Mellotron]

How about trying to walk out on the club 4 days before the Palace game?

What went on between him and Barber between January and May will never been made public. Quite clearly a seismic shift occurred though, where he lost all passion for a job he was clearly absolutely loving just a few months prior.

 

[Bladders]

Because that's such small beans in our illustrious history? 2 of the highest finishes in our history? Brought some of the best players we've ever seen at the club, at times playing utterly glorious football? Made us a solid Championship club.

Much less than plenty of other sides, and we still overachieved in comparison.

But didn't Oscar also achieve playoffs with most of that squad , tiny investment in the team compared to Gus and most of it ravaged by injury last season?

I admit that when the football clicked it was glorious, 3-0 at home to Wednesday and the drubbing of Blackpool stand out, but there was a lot of slow ponderous tedious shit as well that he had no idea how to change or just plain wouldn't.

I know your a big Gus fan but I do feel you wear the rose tinted specs a bit when it comes to him imo.

 

[Bladders]

What went on between him and Barber between January and May will never been made public. Quite clearly a seismic shift occurred though, where he lost all passion for a job he was clearly absolutely loving just a few months prior.

My guess would be Barber told him he can't **** away money on monster wages anymore and all deals would be sectioned by what Barber told him he could spend.

But to phone Tony out of the blue 4 days before such a huge match and said he'd like to leave with immediate affect if possible is pretty low imo, especially considering how well TB had supported him including a recently signed long term deal.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

How about trying to walk out on the club 4 days before the Palace game?

And the cause was?

There could well have been things going on in the background (budget, unable to keep certain players or sign others? - who knows) and that had frustrated him to such an extent that he lost motivation and asked to leave at the end of the season, but would also be willing to go straight away if preferred (some boards prefer to get rid straight away if someone doesn't want to stay and bring in someone else, giving them time to work with the squad and make a decision about which players to keep and which to get rid of for the best interest of the club and the players)

However the NSC version is he woke up that morning and thought, 'i know, i will ring TB and offer my resignation out of the blue because i hate BHAfc'

 

[Tooting Gull]

One thing I've noticed about Poyet is that he has upped his game from the toys-out-of-the-pram "if they don't play better, I'll go home" used so often at Brighton, to the more dramatic "I'll kill myself" at Premier League Sunderland.

He used this for the second time at the weekend, if they didn't win one of the next couple of games, having done it before last year.

Whenever anyone says this kind of stuff these days I half-expect a seriously-written story from some numpty to appear on Twitter saying 'Poyet in suicide threat - counsellors called in'.

Not a prayer, obviously.

 

[Bladders]

And the cause was?

There could well have been things going on in the background (budget, unable to keep certain players or sign others? - who knows) and that had frustrated him to such an extent that he lost motivation and asked to leave at the end of the season, but would also be willing to go straight away if preferred (some boards prefer to get rid straight away if someone doesn't want to stay and bring in someone else, giving them time to work with the squad and make a decision about which players to keep and which to get rid of for the best interest of the club and the players)

However the NSC version is he woke up that morning and thought, 'i know, i will ring TB and offer my resignation out of the blue because i hate BHAfc'

None of the above (if true) excuses how he went about it though imo.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

And the cause was?

There could well have been things going on in the background (budget, unable to keep certain players or sign others? - who knows) and that had frustrated him to such an extent that he lost motivation and asked to leave at the end of the season, but would also be willing to go straight away if preferred (some boards prefer to get rid straight away if someone doesn't want to stay and bring in someone else, giving them time to work with the squad and make a decision about which players to keep and which to get rid of for the best interest of the club and the players)

However the NSC version is he woke up that morning and thought, 'i know, i will ring TB and offer my resignation out of the blue because i hate BHAfc'

You don't make a phone call like that unless you have another offer on the table....... What is more plausible is that Chairman X wanted Gus for his club, and didn't want to pay what would have been a large amount of money in compensation to BHAFC for having to break a ( from memory but correct me if wrong ) 4 year contract that would have kept Poyet here until 2016/2017.

A board member is told this in confidence by another board member of the club concerned. He is duty bound to tell TB. Unsurprisingly TB hits the roof, realising that the club is being unceremoniously screwed over.

Naturally Poyets request to leave is refused. TB confronts him with the allegation which GP denies, result, escorted from the building and told to stay at home until this is fully investigated.

That's a scenario that entirely fits the facts as we know them.

 

[martin tyler]

**** off. NSC is full of spineless wonders. I would not welcome him back here. He had his chance and blew it. He could have taken us to the PL and had his dream with the players and supporters who trusted in him. He however always thought the grass was greener elsewhere. So no thanks.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

You don't make a phone call like that unless you have another offer on the table....... What is more plausible is that Chairman X wanted Gus for his club, and didn't want to pay what would have been a large amount of money in compensation to BHAFC for having to break a ( from memory but correct me if wrong ) 4 year contract that would have kept Poyet here until 2016/2017.

A board member is told this in confidence by another board member of the club concerned. He is duty bound to tell TB. Unsurprisingly TB hits the roof, realising that the club is being unceremoniously screwed over.

Naturally Poyets request to leave is refused. TB confronts him with the allegation which GP denies, result, escorted from the building and told to stay at home until this is fully investigated.

That's a scenario that entirely fits the facts as we know them.

And where do the numerous meetings that Gus had 'stormed out of'supposedly before this incident fit into this theory of yours? More likely arguments over next years budget and what he saw as a lack of ambition in an ever increasingly competitive Championship. Maybe 1 too many arguement's about this led to him thinking, that's it, i've had enough and want to go. - A fairly common experience in a lot of workplaces where people just get to breaking point and decide they want out rather than some conspiracy theory like yours.

Why say he was happy to go in the summer if he had something lined up staright away and was trying to save his new club the compensation money?

 

[Guy Fawkes]

**** off. NSC is full of spineless wonders. I would not welcome him back here. He had his chance and blew it. He could have taken us to the PL and had his dream with the players and supporters who trusted in him. He however always thought the grass was greener elsewhere. So no thanks.

Exactly want i was on about regarding the taking of sides, here is someone who blames Gus for our failure to get promoted and feels that Gus let them down (especially as it was against Palace who then went up). We arguably overachieved under Gus when you look at clubs with large parachute payments, etc that we were competing with at the time.

No, it's far easier to use Gus as a scapegoat for the failure in gainging promotion than acknowledge his success in getting us that close and closer than most of us would have imagined before the season started. (delusions that we should be a PL team because we have a nice new ground, conveniently ignoring all other factors which are contrary to their belief) The culture of blame at work again.

 

[martin tyler]

Exactly want i was on about regarding the taking of sides, here is someone who blames Gus for our failure to get promoted and feels that Gus let them down (especially as it was against Palace who then went up). We arguably overachieved under Gus when you look at clubs with large parachute payments, etc that we were competing with at the time.

No, it's far easier to use Gus as a scapegoat for the failure in gainging promotion than acknowledge his success in getting us that close and closer than most of us would have imagined before the season started. (delusions that we should be a PL team because we have a nice new ground, conveniently ignoring all other factors which are contrary to their belief) The culture of blame at work again.

Taking sides? Gus did a great job whilst here no one can say otherwise when looking at the overall picture. Myself included.
The year we finished 4th i personally do not believe we overachieved at all. We had a very good side whom managed to stay fit for the majority of the year bar the obvious couple of long term injuries. That year was the weakest Championship in the 4 years we have been in it in my opinion with only 1 really outstanding team throughout the year in Cardiff. A few missed penalties and a few badly conceded last minute goals (Forest away and Bolton at home spring to mind) would have been the difference between 2nd and 4th as we were 4 points behind Hull. Something again Gus can not be blamed for.
What i disliked was the fact he was like a prostitute in a room full of dirty old men throughout the season seeing who would pay the most money. He should have kept a lid on the whole situation rather and given us the best chance possible in the playoffs. I don't think he did that and that potentially cost us. I don't know if we would have beaten Palace but all way not well that night.

As for delusions about being a PL team due to having a nice ground no not at all. You have to earn your right to be a PL team and if we do that then so be it. Yes i would love it as would the majority of others as i want Brighton to succeed. However it is not the be all and end all and a stadium does not grant you the right to the PL

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

And where do the numerous meetings that Gus had 'stormed out of'supposedly before this incident fit into this theory of yours? More likely arguments over next years budget and what he saw as a lack of ambition in an ever increasingly competitive Championship. Maybe 1 too many arguement's about this led to him thinking, that's it, i've had enough and want to go. - A fairly common experience in a lot of workplaces where people just get to breaking point and decide they want out rather than some conspiracy theory like yours.

Why say he was happy to go in the summer if he had something lined up staright away and was trying to save his new club the compensation money?

Because he knew Bloom would never let him go without trying to get compensation? He cannot resign without serving the period of notice he is duty bound to do in the contract T & C's. His new employers cannot appoint him without paying the level of compensation defined in the contract T & C's. If Bloom ( or Barber ) was repeatadly telling him this, then it's no wonder the working relationship fell to pieces.

It doesn't matter WHY he wanted to leave, if my supposition is correct he is not permitted to talk to other clubs, unless he is given permission by the Chairman. He did not approach the Chairman for said permission.

This is all my supposition, but if that is what happened, he is clearly in breach of the contract he signed.

BTW the contract was for 5 years duration which he'd signed in 2011, but the issue is the same, if you sign a contract with an employer, the employer is entitled to expect you to honour it.

 

[Creaky]

Because he knew Bloom would never let him go without trying to get compensation? He cannot resign without serving the period of notice he is duty bound to do in the contract T & C's. His new employers cannot appoint him without paying the level of compensation defined in the contract T & C's. If Bloom ( or Barber ) was repeatadly telling him this, then it's no wonder the working relationship fell to pieces.

It doesn't matter WHY he wanted to leave, if my supposition is correct he is not permitted to talk to other clubs, unless he is given permission by the Chairman. He did not approach the Chairman for said permission.

This is all my supposition, but if that is what happened, he is clearly in breach of the contract he signed.

BTW the contract was for 5 years duration which he'd signed in 2011, but the issue is the same, if you sign a contract with an employer, the employer is entitled to expect you to honour it.

I thought that the restriction was on clubs approaching managers, not the other way round

In any case if there was a clear-cut legal basis for the gross misconduct charge then why didn't the club go after either GP or Sunderland for compensation but rather achieved a 'settlement' over GP ending his legal action?

 

[John Bumlick]

I get the feeling that the answer might be different if you asked this question of non-NSC users. Regardless of your opinion, I doubt there are many NSC users who aren't tired of the same threads, with the same people posting the same opinions over and over again.