W.C.
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You said the silence was deafening?
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Would you go on holiday to Tunisia?
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You said the silence was deafening?
W.C.
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You said the silence was deafening?
OK, so what does Tunisia have to offer as a holiday destination apart from sun and sand? OK, and nice hotels? All of these things can be found in far far safer destinations.
Incidentally I have just returned from 10 excellent days in northern California. Very safe, excellent weather, great hotels, great food, wonderful scenery. Just serves to highlight why I cannot understand the mindset of someone who looks at a map of the world and decides to choose Tunisia of all places as a holiday destination.
OK, so what does Tunisia have to offer as a holiday destination apart from sun and sand? OK, and nice hotels? All of these things can be found in far far safer destinations.
Incidentally I have just returned from 10 excellent days in northern California. Very safe, excellent weather, great hotels, great food, wonderful scenery. Just serves to highlight why I cannot understand the mindset of someone who looks at a map of the world and decides to choose Tunisia of all places as a holiday destination.
glasfryn
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would not have put it exactly like that .......but just to much sun,camelshit and tram tickets but I am sure they are very nice people
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
would not have put it exactly like that .......but just to much sun,camelshit and tram tickets but I am sure they are very nice people
I speak how i feel, i did not brush it off. I had not read any condemnation in the press or on the news, apparently there are views on twitter that i do not subscribe to.
Hopefully these condemnations and support will reach the main sources that most people watch or read eh.
I speak how i feel, i did not brush it off. I had not read any condemnation in the press or on the news, apparently there are views on twitter that i do not subscribe to.
Hopefully these condemnations and support will reach the main sources that most people watch or read eh.
Your opinion.
Mine is that you are on here just to "peddle" your support and make excuses for these people that carry out these acts of murder. So we differ. The victims are those that have been murdered not you.
Your opinion.
Mine is that you are on here just to "peddle" your support and make excuses for these people that carry out these acts of murder. So we differ. The victims are those that have been murdered not you.
Hampster Gull
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Have a search online, loads to read up on. I have had family who have lived and worked there so know a bit (no, not in retirement, no not in tourism etc)
Hampster Gull
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Have a search online, loads to read up on. I have had family who have lived and worked there so know a bit (no, not in retirement, no not in tourism etc)
W.C.
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You asked a question, you got an answer. Conveniently you ignore the answer to the question YOU asked with a 'Well I don't read that'. You then invoke the 'showing respect to the dead' line. Nice.
You've been pointed in the direction of the condemnation YOU asked for but you choose to ignore it because YOU don't subscribe to it. That's like saying you don't like this article because of the type of paper it's written on.
W.C.
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You asked a question, you got an answer. Conveniently you ignore the answer to the question YOU asked with a 'Well I don't read that'. You then invoke the 'showing respect to the dead' line. Nice.
You've been pointed in the direction of the condemnation YOU asked for but you choose to ignore it because YOU don't subscribe to it. That's like saying you don't like this article because of the type of paper it's written on.
W.C.
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Whilst I don't always agree with Mustafa, I often see him on NSC. Posting about many things, often, weirdly, football.
You, though, I most definitely have you down as one of NSC's lovely little group who are here to constantly peddle their political agenda.
W.C.
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Whilst I don't always agree with Mustafa, I often see him on NSC. Posting about many things, often, weirdly, football.
You, though, I most definitely have you down as one of NSC's lovely little group who are here to constantly peddle their political agenda.
Juror#13
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David Cameron keeps repeating himself like mantra every time Muslims kill or maim by saying it hasn't anything to do with Islam (doesn't want to offend Muslims in the UK) and Islam is a religion of peace. On the politic show this morning the Muslim guests said it is Islam that is the problem and fault and needs addressing but our idiot Cameron refuses to acknowledge it's Islam that is the problem.
From the commentator:
Tunisia: How UK's "not Islam" narrative helps terrorists.
Islam can be a religion of peace, but it can also be a religion of war, and many shades in between, including terror. The disastrous narrative that it's not Islam, pushed by British PM Cameron after the Tunisia massacre is a massive boost to the terrorists. It's vital that Cameron et al understand their terrible error.
We're going to keep this simple and short, because the message just doesn't seem to get through.
In the wake of the horrific massacre by an Islamic terrorist of (mainly British) holiday-makers on a beach in Tunisia, UK Prime Minister David Cameron came out with a line we have heard from him, Barack Obama, France's Francois Hollande, Australia's Tony Abbott, and so many others in the wake of Islamist mass murder.
This is what Cameron said just after news of the massacre broke: "This is not in the name of Islam; it’s a perverted ideology and we must fight it,".
We have made the point many times about Mr. Cameron's qualifications to speak about Islamic theology -- he doesn't have any. In any case, it's idiotic to say it's not in "the name" of Islam, because the people who do such things are quite explicit that they are doing it precisely in "the name" of Islam.
So let's just say that he means well, and that he's pushing the "virtuous lie". Get your Plato out.
But before you do, consider this: what are wavering radical Islamists in Britain and other Western countries going to do with such a statement?
Here's a though experiment. Imagine you are one of those waverers. You hear the British prime minister saying that slaughtering people is not Islamic. You have read quite a bit of the Koran, so you know that there are both peaceful and violent injunctions within it.
As someone who already has radical tendencies, you go to your radical Imam. "What's all this about, then"? "David Cameron says this is against Islam?"
Stay with the thought experiment. The Imam, with a knowing smile, says: "Don't take my word for it, see this verse, and this one, and that one, and this one, and that one over there. They all allow for Muslims to kill Infidels, en masse, if necessary. So, my boy, do you trust David Cameron's words, or the words of the Prophet in the Holy Koran?"
If you doubt that such verses exist -- and indeed have profound significance in the Koran and other Islamic teachings -- see the writings of our contributor Raymond Ibrahim, a native speaker of Arabic and top scholar on such matters.
Now, back to the thought experiment: what is going to be the net result of Western leaders' insistance that, "this is not Islam"?
The following: The young, potential radical now totally distrusts the Western political establishment, which has simply lied about the situation. Simultaneously, the radical Imam seems even more impressive than he did before: he knows the truth, and he can prove it.
Our leaders in the West are right not to pander to hatred of Muslims. But in denying the hard fact that mass terror can indeed be justified according to Islamic texts, they are making terrorism more likely, not less. Just capture the facts, and apply logic. Or is that too much to ask?
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5945/tunisia_how_uk_s_not_islam_narrative_helps_terrorists
Maajid Nawaz, he is the co-founder and chairman of Quilliam a counter-extremism think tank that seeks to challenge the narratives of Islamist extremists and appeared on the politic show today, he was also a former member of the radical Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir.
This fella knows what he's talking about so why can't that politically correct Cameron say 'It is Islam' instead of burrowing his head in the sand and hoping it goes away because it's going to get a lot worse until he takes that head out the sand.
Islam.
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From the commentator:
Tunisia: How UK's "not Islam" narrative helps terrorists.
Islam can be a religion of peace, but it can also be a religion of war, and many shades in between, including terror. The disastrous narrative that it's not Islam, pushed by British PM Cameron after the Tunisia massacre is a massive boost to the terrorists. It's vital that Cameron et al understand their terrible error.
We're going to keep this simple and short, because the message just doesn't seem to get through.
In the wake of the horrific massacre by an Islamic terrorist of (mainly British) holiday-makers on a beach in Tunisia, UK Prime Minister David Cameron came out with a line we have heard from him, Barack Obama, France's Francois Hollande, Australia's Tony Abbott, and so many others in the wake of Islamist mass murder.
This is what Cameron said just after news of the massacre broke: "This is not in the name of Islam; it’s a perverted ideology and we must fight it,".
We have made the point many times about Mr. Cameron's qualifications to speak about Islamic theology -- he doesn't have any. In any case, it's idiotic to say it's not in "the name" of Islam, because the people who do such things are quite explicit that they are doing it precisely in "the name" of Islam.
So let's just say that he means well, and that he's pushing the "virtuous lie". Get your Plato out.
But before you do, consider this: what are wavering radical Islamists in Britain and other Western countries going to do with such a statement?
Here's a though experiment. Imagine you are one of those waverers. You hear the British prime minister saying that slaughtering people is not Islamic. You have read quite a bit of the Koran, so you know that there are both peaceful and violent injunctions within it.
As someone who already has radical tendencies, you go to your radical Imam. "What's all this about, then"? "David Cameron says this is against Islam?"
Stay with the thought experiment. The Imam, with a knowing smile, says: "Don't take my word for it, see this verse, and this one, and that one, and this one, and that one over there. They all allow for Muslims to kill Infidels, en masse, if necessary. So, my boy, do you trust David Cameron's words, or the words of the Prophet in the Holy Koran?"
If you doubt that such verses exist -- and indeed have profound significance in the Koran and other Islamic teachings -- see the writings of our contributor Raymond Ibrahim, a native speaker of Arabic and top scholar on such matters.
Now, back to the thought experiment: what is going to be the net result of Western leaders' insistance that, "this is not Islam"?
The following: The young, potential radical now totally distrusts the Western political establishment, which has simply lied about the situation. Simultaneously, the radical Imam seems even more impressive than he did before: he knows the truth, and he can prove it.
Our leaders in the West are right not to pander to hatred of Muslims. But in denying the hard fact that mass terror can indeed be justified according to Islamic texts, they are making terrorism more likely, not less. Just capture the facts, and apply logic. Or is that too much to ask?
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5945/tunisia_how_uk_s_not_islam_narrative_helps_terrorists
Maajid Nawaz, he is the co-founder and chairman of Quilliam a counter-extremism think tank that seeks to challenge the narratives of Islamist extremists and appeared on the politic show today, he was also a former member of the radical Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir.
This fella knows what he's talking about so why can't that politically correct Cameron say 'It is Islam' instead of burrowing his head in the sand and hoping it goes away because it's going to get a lot worse until he takes that head out the sand.
Islam.
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That last image should be deleted. Piss poor piece of judgement by Juror#13
The Andy Naylor Fan Club
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That last image should be deleted. Piss poor piece of judgement by Juror#13
SIMMO SAYS
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I thought his head was on a spike?