Worst state you've been in due to substance abuse

[Herr Tubthumper]

Thank you for dismissing my qualification with a few keyboard strokes. No, I didn't help out with an evening soccer class. I worked at a council run youth club for two evenings a week on a tough council estate.

I stand by my post.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I stand by my post.

I didn't say I was a trained counsellor. Part of youth work is trying to get youngsters to understand responsibility for their own actions.

 

[paul & shark]

This is a terrible thread

why?

 

[Uncle C]

hahahah

ive seen him on a bar stool not being able to talk for 3 hours at 2pm at times loooool

Gosh that is really funny.

 

[JTR938]

Gosh that is really funny.

Go and lock yourself in a room with your favorite sock

 

[Billy the Fish]

Yes mate.

Taking illegal drugs is one thing, but coming on here boasting about your experiences is another. There are a lot of impressionable kids on NSC who could now be thinking that the whole drug scene is socially acceptable.

For me this is worse than posting porn, but I doubt any moderators will have the savvy to see it that way.

But it is becoming more socially acceptable to the younger generation because most people are capable of making their own decisions and they realise that the stock answer of "drugs are bad" just doesn't ring true anymore, and that the spurious claims that you're definitely going to die and have a bad time just don't add up. The "drug scene" isn't down and outs in a squat like you see on trainspotting - it's normal people with normal jobs.

This thread hasn't glamorized anything, a few people have just shared their actual experiences - the good parts and the bad parts. I think you don't like it because the reality doesn't fit in with what you've been told about addicts and everyone facing a certain death. What would be the point in lying about it? As I said before I would never encourage anyone to take any drug - that includes alcohol and smoking - but you've got to be honest about the positives and negatives otherwise it ruins your credibility and shows that you're only telling one side of the story. That's not a healthy debate, it's just people making unfounded claims.

Personally I've made alot of really close friends off the back of sitting up all night together and a shared love of music, I've had some amazing experiences because of it. My weekends have never affected my family life or work and I never touch anything monday - friday, only go to the gym and eat healthy.
The flipside is that I've also been scared to go to sleep for days at a time because of the nighmares, had heart palpatations, started crying in the middle of the day for no reason whatsoever(although that was after a whole week of clubs and very little sleep). I've never bitched about any of that because I made my own choice, it just comes with the territory and I feel like I've learned about myself for having to deal with it + for me the good outweighed the bad. It certainly isn't for everyone, which is the same for most things in life.

Hopefully that's an honest balanced view of my own experience, other people's are obviously different.

 

[paul & shark]

Gosh that is really funny.

Mate, why dont you relax, let people who dont concern you enjoy life and crack on with there journeys

you bore me summit rotten

 

[Uncle C]

Please carry on as you were.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jun/26/drug-death-capital-brighton-treatment-punishment

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I didn't say I was a trained counsellor.

Which is quite evident hence my first post to you on this matter.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Which is quite evident hence my post "asking" about your work.

A great part of youth work is listening. If the person wanted it , there were trained counsellors that they could be referred to. My 'problem' with alcohol, drugs or any form of escapism, is that it is always temporary. When you sober up, or come down, the problem causing the pain is still there.

 

[paul & shark]

Please carry on as you were.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jun/26/drug-death-capital-brighton-treatment-punishment

would it suprise you if i said party drugs are actually quite good fun

some grow out of it, some crack on

adults chatting about it, should be embraced my old fruit

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Personally I dont give a fig if every drug taker on here ends up dead or brain damaged. The chances are high, as 20,000 people die every year from illegal drug abuse. That's nearly an Amex full.

I wonder how many fans were on drugs last season? You'd have needed to be to have watched some of Oscar's rubbish.

 

[Billy the Fish]

Please carry on as you were.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2011/jun/26/drug-death-capital-brighton-treatment-punishment

Did you actually read the whole article? It's supporting decriminalisation.

*Edit* And again, there's a massive difference between what we've been discussing and the homeless herion addicts which almost all of those drug deaths can be attributed to. The fact that you don't know the difference means you don't really know what you're arguing for or against.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Mate, why dont you relax, let people who dont concern you enjoy life and crack on with there journeys

you bore me summit rotten

If anyone needs a nice relaxing smoke it's our friend Uncle C

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Nobody needs to take drugs, but nobody needs to do anything apart from eat, sleep and shit.

Use of psychoactive substances has existed in every culture known in history. It is very much human nature. But I'm sure even in the cultures where it was most prevalent there were people like yourself who never felt the need.

A majority of illegal drugs are absolutely harmless if taken responsibly. The problem is the law, not the people. There are some drugs that are highly addictive, but you should feel sympathy for the victims of those. They didn't wake up one day and choose to become a drug addict, they are just victims of a broken society, nonsensical laws and a lack of honesty about the subject of drugs.

I was reading very recently about a sexually abused girl who ran away and got into drugs. She only has herself to blame for taking drugs to blot out her memory and ease the pain? Is this what you're saying?

There is a huge difference between taking drugs to escape life's problems and taking them for a recreational or spiritual experience.

Most people don't take drugs as a form of escapism, for most it's to have a good time or a new experience. If they are taking drugs to ease emotional pain, their problem is essentially their lives, not the drugs. Although some drugs can exacerbate emotional problems - others can have positive effects on the mind, for example recent evidence is that MDMA could be a great remedy for PTSD, and cannabis (seemingly paradoxically) can ease some schizophrenic issues and so on.

I was discussing a certain aspect of taking drugs or drinking alcohol. You mentioned 'victims of a broken society' and I pointed out that there were other ways available to help.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

There is a huge difference between taking drugs to escape life's problems and taking them for a recreational or spiritual experience.

Most people don't take drugs as a form of escapism, for most it's to have a good time or a new experience. If they are taking drugs to ease emotional pain, their problem is essentially their lives, not the drugs. Although some drugs can exacerbate emotional problems - others can have positive effects on the mind, for example recent evidence is that MDMA could be a great remedy for PTSD, and cannabis (seemingly paradoxically) can ease some schizophrenic issues and so on.

This.

The problem with people who don't do drugs is that they see drugs as escapism from bad things. 99.99% of the time that's not the case

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I was discussing a certain aspect of taking drugs or drinking alcohol. You mentioned 'victims of a broken society' and I pointed out that there were other ways available to help.

Liar. You said they only have themselves to blame. Go and re-read your posts #42 and #50

 

[RexCathedra]

North Carolina.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Liar. You said they only have themselves to blame. Go and re-read your posts #42 and #50

Thank you for calling me a liar. You have perceived it to be that way. I said there was a choice, which is different.

 

[maltaseagull]

Not me, but somebody I was with took one too many lsd tabs one night, I watched him take a bite out of the end of a brick wall and lose all his teeth.

Seriously? He must have chewed it to lose ALL his teeth. (Unless he only had a few at the front)