[Football] Women's Euro 2022 Final- England v Germany 31.07.2022- OFFICIAL THREAD

[LamieRobertson]

I see the attendance of 87,192 was a record for ANY Uefa-organised match.

Didn't realise that England v Italy last year was just 67,173. Anyone know why it was so low? Additional media? Figure doesn't include comps, maybe?

Then of course there was the unofficial attendance (gatecrashers)

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

I see the attendance of 87,192 was a record for ANY Uefa-organised match.

Didn't realise that England v Italy last year was just 67,173. Anyone know why it was so low? Additional media? Figure doesn't include comps, maybe?

Wasn’t their some restrictions at the time of the final meaning only 75% capacity could be used or something similar?

 

[hart's shirt]

Do people on here think attendances at Womens PL games will now increase

Dan Roan (BBC Sport) raised 2 questions on tonight's 10pm news - girls' participation and WSL attendances / sustainability.

We'd all hope that thousands of young girls have been inspired to play and there'll be every opportunity for them to do so.

As far as the latter goes, it was interesting to hear Gabby Logan's closing monologue at the end of the coverage.

For those that might've missed it, she chose to encourage people to make every effort to attend domestic women's matches.

Words to the effect of 'football has come home, but it's up to us to keep it there'.

The Lionesses have been well supported both on TV and at games and rightly so, but that was always likely to be the case.

High viewing figures in watching English / British success in tournaments doesn't guarantee week-in, week-out numbers.

Contrasting approaches have worked in other sports.

Women's domestic rugby and specifically 6 Nations has seen a large gate increase as a result of separate dates.

But attendances last summer at Women's Hundred cricket matches worked well in tandem with the Men's Hundred.

Let's hope the numbers significantly increase, but we'll have to wait until Sept-Oct to see. Until then, the jury's still out.

What is unarguable is that now there's every incentive for the women's game to grow, both in numbers playing and attending.

And that can only be a good thing for all who love football.


Edit - With Albion season tickets for U18s / over 65s at only £19 and the first 2 games at the Amex, there's even more chance!

 

[Icy Gull]

I had not intended to watch but once I saw that the opponents were the almost impossible to beat Germans I changed my mind. I thoroughly enjoyed it and just like men’s games against Germany it was a full blooded affair with German tactics bordering on cheating. The ref had a dodgy game and was sucked in to being conned too many times. Technically I thought the Germans were better but who gives a stuff. Two great goals that would have graced the men’s game and a scruffy winner.

Post match celebrations were brilliant, well done Ladies

 

[drew]

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[Guinness Boy]

I think the point is that we know the quality isn't as good and there is no need to keep bringing it up in conversation. I'm unsure of its relevance. Folk are just enjoying the women's game and its increased exposure and what has clearly been a raising of standards.

I can't stand Formula 1. But I won't go in that thread and start banging on about how dull I think watching cars go round and round a track is. I know folk enjoy it and I'll leave them to do so.

I watched the last three England games and enjoyed this one more than the semi which was a bit one sided. I’m not sure that pointing out that a goal scored through the keeper’s hands after two defensive errors isn’t brilliant is really destroying the thread. On F1 we always admit when a race is poor. Indeed, at Monaco, Miami and Singapore it’s guaranteed.

Like many others I hope this leads to any girl who wants to play getting the opportunity and the further development of the women’s game. However, to make that distinction I have to use the term “women’s game.”

Like [MENTION=5208]drew[/MENTION] I do find it odd that people are using it as a stick to beat the men’s game with when they watch that more regularly.


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[dazzer6666]

Have you watched a game.,the quality is there the difference is the physical strength in the men's game which also makes it faster. The footballing skill is there, look at the finish for the first goal and indeed the pass that led to it.

The first and second goals were exactly the kind of chances we see whole new threads started on here slagging off our strikers for missing Both much, much harder than they looked to get right.

 

[Bodian]

There's two stadiums in Europe where you can have 87 000+ people attending

That there are so few in itself surprises me.

 

[mikeyjh]

As far as the latter goes, it was interesting to hear Gabby Logan's closing monologue at the end of the coverage.

For those that might've missed it, she chose to encourage people to make every effort to attend domestic women's matches.

It's kind of odd that she felt the need to do that - If people are motivated to go, they will go, I'm not sure that Gabby Logan will have any influence on that.

Personally, I will probably never go to a women's game. I very much enjoyed watching games on the tv, probably about 10, but enjoying on TV <> to going to the game. The atmosphere certainly isn't for me, Clive. Last night I wanted England to win rather than being desperate for them to win as I would be with the men's team, if it were the men I could barely watch, I'd be wracked with nerves - not so with the women. I can't explain why I'm less invested but I am.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It's kind of odd that she felt the need to do that - If people are motivated to go, they will go, I'm not sure that Gabby Logan will have any influence on that.

Personally, I will probably never go to a women's game. I very much enjoyed watching games on the tv, probably about 10, but enjoying on TV <> to going to the game. The atmosphere certainly isn't for me, Clive. Last night I wanted England to win rather than being desperate for them to win as I would be with the men's team, if it were the men I could barely watch, I'd be wracked with nerves - not so with the women. I can't explain why I'm less invested but I am.

I think she made some valid points which, at the very very least, are worthy of discussion....this is what I expect from presenters so I do not find it odd at all.

 

[Kosh]

Great post Kosh.

I’m another who doesn’t follow the men’s team anymore for a myriad of reasons, but I’m so pleased there is in England team that I can now nail my colours to with the women.

Can’t wait to the next world cup already! (Not the fake one in the desert).

I fully agree - I’ll watch as little of the corruption cup as possible - a joke on every level and (human rights wise) a tragic one too.

There’s obviously some arguments about perceived quality of the women’s game, personally I couldn’t give a stuff if it’s a tad slower and some of the GK performances were a bit suspect... ultimately I’m not comparing it in those terms to the men’s game but I am saying, that as far as international football goes that’s the most fun I’ve had watching a comp since Italia 90! obviously winning it helped, but I’m sure I’d have enjoyed the final regardless... ‘96 was okay I suppose (although a fairly dull comp all round) ruined further by that lamentable lightening seeds dirge.

Well played ladies, you’ve refreshed my international mojo

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I’ve watched the England women’s team on tv since the Shebelieves cup.
I’ve watched the England men’s team since 1962 and I love watching both teams.
I just love football
As Fatboy Slim sang,
We’ve come a long long way together, Through the hard times and the good.

 

[Hamilton]

I’ve watched the England women’s team on tv since the Shebelieves cup.
I’ve watched the England men’s team since 1962 and I love watching both teams.
I just love football
As Fatboy Slim sang,
We’ve come a long long way together, Through the hard times and the good.

And that’s it. Same sport. Different game. Football is football.

And I love this. Bought a tear to the eye…

https://mobile.twitter.com/claremcdonnell1/status/1553838251315810305?t=wZGQbqZPgujxraerdENk0Q&s=08

Change is coming.

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[Silverhatch]

It's kind of odd that she felt the need to do that - If people are motivated to go, they will go, I'm not sure that Gabby Logan will have any influence on that.

Personally, I will probably never go to a women's game. I very much enjoyed watching games on the tv, probably about 10, but enjoying on TV <> to going to the game. The atmosphere certainly isn't for me, Clive. Last night I wanted England to win rather than being desperate for them to win as I would be with the men's team, if it were the men I could barely watch, I'd be wracked with nerves - not so with the women. I can't explain why I'm less invested but I am.

I’ll explain it… Culture & History & Misogyny.

You’re invested in our (male) National game because it’s been of huge cultural significance for 100+ years. The story of the men’s game has been back and front page/screen news for generations and the hype has only built up further post PL. The female game was banned (a heinous act of misogyny by the FA) for 50 odd years and it took the sheer bloody mindedness of Hope Powell to drag the blazers to any sort of female football table. I’m a bloke with a daughter who played until she was 14 but was then shamed into not continuing (by her female peers and plenty of teenage boys). She’s just told me she’s taking her boots to University!! It’s an extraordinary achievement for the (female) England team to have become European Champions when the Male dinosaurs running the sport in its birthplace tried to kill the womens game. I too wanted England to win, and I thought I didn’t care as much. But I was genuinely emotional when we won last night. It was the perfect antidote to Italia 90 which still hurts.

 

[Hamilton]

I’ll explain it… Culture & History & Misogyny.

You’re invested in our (male) National game because it’s been of huge cultural significance for 100+ years. The story of the men’s game has been back and front page/screen news for generations and the hype has only built up further post PL. The female game was banned (a heinous act of misogyny by the FA) for 50 odd years and it took the sheer bloody mindedness of Hope Powell to drag the blazers to any sort of female football table. I’m a bloke with a daughter who played until she was 14 but was then shamed into not continuing (by her female peers and plenty of teenage boys). She’s just told me she’s taking her boots to University!! It’s an extraordinary achievement for the (female) England team to have become European Champions when the Male dinosaurs running the sport in its birthplace tried to kill the womens game. I too wanted England to win, and I thought I didn’t care as much. But I was genuinely emotional when we won last night. It was the perfect antidote to Italia 90 which still hurts.

This.

A lot of men are experiencing the early stages of the change curve. There’s shock and fear at work. Something might challenge their view of the world. That’s ok. Change is scary. But the question is, what is fair and what is right.

Hiding behind the argument that it’s not very good or entertaining is simply incorrect. Last night’s crowd and entertainment proved that. It’s simply the case that we men have had it all our own way.

Yesterday saw another seminal moment. Van Vleuten won the inaugural Tour de France Femmes, a shortened version of the Tour de France. Women have been arguing for and pushing for a TDF for women for years. Why? Why should they have to? It’s the same sport. Women don’t ride a bike any differently? The reason they have been denied is because men have controlled the sport, media and money. Sexism has been institutionalized.

Guys, it’s ok to be confused and angry about this. The question is, are you prepared to put things right?

Sadly, too many politicians (on all sides) call this ‘being woke.’ It’s not. It’s just being fair.


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[dazzer6666]

I’ll explain it… Culture & History & Misogyny.

You’re invested in our (male) National game because it’s been of huge cultural significance for 100+ years. The story of the men’s game has been back and front page/screen news for generations and the hype has only built up further post PL. The female game was banned (a heinous act of misogyny by the FA) for 50 odd years and it took the sheer bloody mindedness of Hope Powell to drag the blazers to any sort of female football table. I’m a bloke with a daughter who played until she was 14 but was then shamed into not continuing (by her female peers and plenty of teenage boys). She’s just told me she’s taking her boots to University!! It’s an extraordinary achievement for the (female) England team to have become European Champions when the Male dinosaurs running the sport in its birthplace tried to kill the womens game. I too wanted England to win, and I thought I didn’t care as much. But I was genuinely emotional when we won last night. It was the perfect antidote to Italia 90 which still hurts.

Brilliant post

 

[crodonilson]

Good Morning Britain championing that women footballers should earn more than their male counterparts now they've won. Hopefully the FA are listening.

 

[Gwylan]

I. I’m a bloke with a daughter who played until she was 14 but was then shamed into not continuing (by her female peers and plenty of teenage boys).

I think this issue is being skated over. I keep seeing comments from people who say that most schools now do offer football to girls and people like Ian Wright as behind the times. But your point is spot on: it doesn't matter if there are opportunities to play if the boys in the team don't welcome the girls, don't pass to them etc And there are also too many complaints about coaches not picking girls and leaving them sidelined. It is also the case that, sadly, teenage girls will slag off sporty girls as it's not the cool thing. Let's hope that this win will change that attitude at least.

I think there's still a long way to go though.

 

[amexer]

Some good points made but think pundits etc are getting carried away. This was the Euros where we have done very well. An occasion not week by week womens league football. Wright talks about more money going into womens game. You tell Bloom that after putting millions into training facilities ,tickets £5 and busing people to the ground for nothing. Because it was a big event Euros were great but after going to a couple of Albion womens games can assure you no comparison. OK for Wright to say get more people in ground but what else can you do. Will go to odd game but no way would I consider going to 2 games in a week and anyway could never show the same emotion to a game as the men after watching them for 25 years. It needs a new audience and hopefully many of Euro attendees will go to league games. On question of wages I am sure England squad will deservingly get very big bonuses but rightly this wont reflect lower down until crowds increase and more sponsors show interest.

 

[Simster]

Good points [MENTION=20814]amexer[/MENTION] except to say that you won't actually be the target audience. Euro crowds have been mixed but predominantly women and a new crowd of supporters will make up the new bigger WPL crowds.

I firmly believe 10-12k is possible quite regularly at the Amex if it's targeted properly.