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WhingForPresident

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Feb 23, 2009
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Marlborough
Wow, delusions of grandeur. Kuszack is a Championship/low end prem at best gk. Can't comment on Bruno, but Bridge is no longer cut out for the prem unfortunately. Hammond is no where near a prem player, hence why he's on loan to you. He's behind Schneiderlin, Cork, Davis and JWP at Southampton. Can't comment on Bridcutt, although from what i've seen looks like a good championship player, not prem. How many games will Vicente play? not many again I imagine.. Ramirez>>>Vicente.

The fact you would rather have your squad over any of those three is ridiculous.

Bridcutt will be playing Premier League football soon and he will tear it up, whether it's with us or not. You don't have to believe me on that, but it will happen.
Bruno is looking to be a class act who was playing regular La Liga and Europa League football last season with Valencia- no question he is better than Clyne, who is simply another Palace youngster that the media have hyped up so much everyone just assumes they are good. He isn't.
Gaston Ramirez better than Vicente? Based on what, the fact you paid FIFTEEN MILLION for him? We can't really judge that one yet can we, considering Ramirez has played once or twice for you lot and had a couple of seasons at a second-rate Italian side.
I loved this quote from him:
'It is an offer that you cannot refuse. They will give me so much money [rumoured to be £1.57m net per year and more than £780,000 signing-on fee].'

Agree on Hammond and agree that Kuszczak is lower end Prem at best, but he is still far superior to Davis, who was past his prime years ago.
 




Ninja Elephant

Doctor Elephant
Feb 16, 2009
18,855
Wow, delusions of grandeur. Kuszack is a Championship/low end prem at best gk. Can't comment on Bruno, but Bridge is no longer cut out for the prem unfortunately. Hammond is no where near a prem player, hence why he's on loan to you. He's behind Schneiderlin, Cork, Davis and JWP at Southampton. Can't comment on Bridcutt, although from what i've seen looks like a good championship player, not prem. How many games will Vicente play? not many again I imagine.. Ramirez>>>Vicente.

The fact you would rather have your squad over any of those three is ridiculous.

Davis has been woeful so far in the Premier League, as he was when he last had a go. Kuszczak, if you want to compare the two, has a Premier League winners medal. Much higher pedigree and much higher class.

As for the rest of it, your short sighted opinions really mean nothing at all. Ramirez might be brilliant, he might be the new Ali Dia. Who knows, he hasn't played. Vicente HAS won La Liga, he HAS picked up 40 Spain caps and he HAS been a world class player for over a decade. And we didn't pay a ridiculous £12million for him. Or an incredible £7million for a striker who has barely proven himself at Championship level, Jay Rodriguez. I have absolutely no interest in comparing us to Southampton, they did very well last season and deservedly got promoted so are a year ahead in terms of progression. I have no qualms saying that because it is pretty obvious.

To me, another thing which is pretty obvious is that THIS Brighton team is better than the Southampton team which came second last season. I have no doubt that will be proven justified by the end of the season.
 


Paris

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2010
4,127
13th district
Very true Ninja.

I seem to remember Dobbie ripping the Saints a new one last season for Blackpool at Bloomfield Road. He's not even assured of a start. We've come a long way. I worry for Southampton. I get the feeling some of their fans seem to think there are easy points up for grabs after getting Man Utd, Arsenal etc out of the way. I think not.

Davis has been woeful so far in the Premier League, as he was when he last had a go. Kuszczak, if you want to compare the two, has a Premier League winners medal. Much higher pedigree and much higher class.

As for the rest of it, your short sighted opinions really mean nothing at all. Ramirez might be brilliant, he might be the new Ali Dia. Who knows, he hasn't played. Vicente HAS won La Liga, he HAS picked up 40 Spain caps and he HAS been a world class player for over a decade. And we didn't pay a ridiculous £12million for him. Or an incredible £7million for a striker who has barely proven himself at Championship level, Jay Rodriguez. I have absolutely no interest in comparing us to Southampton, they did very well last season and deservedly got promoted so are a year ahead in terms of progression. I have no qualms saying that because it is pretty obvious.

To me, another thing which is pretty obvious is that THIS Brighton team is better than the Southampton team which came second last season. I have no doubt that will be proven justified by the end of the season.
 






Ninja Elephant

Doctor Elephant
Feb 16, 2009
18,855
Sorry, but that's incredibly ignorant and short-sighted. We play in a nice style but we would not pick up points week after week against EPL teams. To suggest our squad is better than Southampton's is just ludicrous bearing in mind we've just signed one of their rejects. Wigan have some hugely underrated players and would beat us seven times out of ten. Even Norwich, who are my top tip for relegation this season, have players we would love to have and, just like Southampton, recently sold us one of their rejects. Just because we look like a decent bet in the NPC does not mean we're anywhere near having a squad that would pick up 40+ points in the EPL.

You're welcome to disagree, it's all theoretical talk. We don't know how this team would cope in the Premier League. But I suspect we'd do rather well because not only do we know how to keep the ball, we know how to use it. I watch a lot of Premier League football and there are a suprising number of teams who aren't great at keeping the ball. I think do very well, but we won't know.

Should we go up, we'd get in a raft of new players. No doubt with the calibre of the other players we have signed, and I doubt we'd gamble by spending the best of £20million on two players who haven't performed in the Premier League.
 


Ninja Elephant

Doctor Elephant
Feb 16, 2009
18,855
We have the right style to do well, but we would not do well with our current personnel. Seriously, look at the side we put out on Friday night. It was an absolute treat to watch in the NPC, but if we fielded Dicker and Hammond in the EPL we would get brutally raped. Let's be honest, as good as Greer and El Abd are, they couldn't cope with the step up. And I don't see we have any attacking player who would score more than about 6-8 goals in that division. Having the right style in place is great as it means we wouldn't need to make wholesale changes, but the individual quality of our players just isn't good enough right now. If it was, why are we buying players that aren't good enough for mediocre EPL teams like Norwich and Southampton?

I think the quality of our team is greater than the sum of all parts. Ironically, the way we've strengthened every position, the centre back pairing has become technically the weakest aspect of our team but it isn't a problem because the players we have understand how we play and what we want to achieve.

Our squad would deffinitely be strengthened should we go up, but if we played a full season in the Premier League with this team I think we'd survive. On the assumption we didn't get many injuries. We lack strength in depth but our 1-11 is very handy.
 




Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
53,221
Goldstone
Yes, so I am told. I think we're a better team than Norwich, certainly. I'm talking about the players we have and I'm talking about the way we play the game. We have players in our team who will grace the Premier League, comfortably. Kuszczak, Bruno and Bridge are undisputably Premier League standard players. Bridcutt and Hammond are arguably Premier League standard players and Andrew Crofts played a lot of football for Norwich there last season. And then we have Vicente and Lopez who have played at a better standard than our Premier League, and not just played but flourished and been important players. Maybe our squad lacks the Premier League depth of current Premier League teams but I've got to say, I would much rather have our squad in the Premier League than Southampton, Norwich and Wigan. It's all irrelevant, however, because it's all theory.
We have strengthened since last season, but they finished 12th in the premier league while we were 10th in the championship. They were way better than the likes of Blackburn, so I think to suggest we're better than Norwich is delusional. But that's cool, I hope you're proved right.
 


Ninja Elephant

Doctor Elephant
Feb 16, 2009
18,855
We have strengthened since last season, but they finished 12th in the premier league while we were 10th in the championship. They were way better than the likes of Blackburn, so I think to suggest we're better than Norwich is delusional. But that's cool, I hope you're proved right.

Last season is last season. I'm talking about the Brighton team we can field now. Our team at Watford is going to be bristling with brilliance and I would rather our team than theirs. I like alot of the individuals, but the way their team plays is awful. And I say that not as a snobbish Brighton fan being spoilt by Gus Poyet and his army of talented footballers, I say that as someone who thinks there is more to football than kick and chase.
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
53,221
Goldstone
Last season is last season. I'm talking about the Brighton team we can field now.
I know, and acknowledged that we have strengthened. We are a lot better than we were, but that's still a long way off 12th in the premier league.
Our team at Watford is going to be bristling with brilliance and I would rather our team than theirs. I like alot of the individuals, but the way their team plays is awful... I say that as someone who thinks there is more to football than kick and chase.
Of course there is. Winning is important, but there is more to it than that. You want to be entertained when going to see your club every other week, and I'd rather play the way we do and finish a couple of places lower, than play kick and rush. So I fully understand if you say you prefer our team, and prefer to watch our team, but I don't think it's accurate to say we are 'better' than them without fully qualifying what you mean.
 




BrianSwan

Active member
Apr 15, 2012
289
Sadly most managers in the English league don't have a clue, it takes foreign managers to impose good football on our teams.

I wish we could import more Spaniards to manage in the Championship.
 


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