Wolverhampton City Council - Unbelievable

[Westdene Seagull]

Personally, I have a flagpole/washing line in my garden which flies the Cross of St George 365 days a year, and I couldn't give a flying f**k what the rest of the country thinks about it.

 

[shingle]

bravo hampshire



vladipisstake =

Well said foxy

 

[finbar]

My sister lives up there, she went to uni and married a native.
They are not allowed to call Christmas by its real name, they have to call it Wintermass, so not to offend the other religions.
They are not even allowed to put thosecandle things in the window because they apparently offends as well
I get angry every time i think of it.
Nightmare
GRRRRR

That is SUCH UTTER BOLLOCKS - do you honestly believe it? Who stops them saying Christmas? I lived there to for a while, and while the air did do something to my brain, i distinctly remember not being persecuted for celebrating christmas

 

[London Irish]

It's muppets like that who keep the right wing extremist groups alive. Sad day. I'm pretty sure if the 'ethnic' communities were asked they'd say that they couldn't care less and in fact don't like this sort of thing as it will inflame opinion.

I think you'll find is tabloid Sun/Daily Mail twisting stories like this and whipping them up to the point of incitement that keep rightwing extremist groups alive.

Let's get real, Angels by Robbie is the English national anthem, either that or fecking Wonderwall.

 

[Shizuoka Dolphin]

What a tangled web we weave.

 

[cardboard]

Im afraid it is not, why would she make something like that up?

I'll get some more details

 

[bhaexpress]

I think you'll find is tabloid Sun/Daily Mail twisting stories like this and whipping them up to the point of incitement that keep rightwing extremist groups alive.

Let's get real, Angels by Robbie is the English national anthem, either that or fecking Wonderwall.

True but in New York thay are no longer supposed to use the world 'Christmas' but use the expression 'Holiday's instead. There was a real row when Macy's wasn't allowed to have a Christmas scene in it's main windows.

It is a bit stupid in any circumstances.

 

[HampshireSeagulls]

True but in New York thay are no longer supposed to use the world 'Christmas' but use the expression 'Holiday's instead. There was a real row when Macy's wasn't allowed to have a Christmas scene in it's main windows.

It is a bit stupid in any circumstances.

It all comes under "equality and diversity". Even the head of the CRE, Trevor Phillips, recognised that this was not a path that should be pursued as it would lead to divisions between races - you cannot force multiculturalism (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3615379.stm ). School christmas plays are regularly hijacked, but NOT by the ethnic community - they tend to be hijacked by the right-on, left-wing PC brigade who feel that they should be doing more for equality and inclusion. Many of the ethnic groups that these people are supporting feel embarassed, as it only draws attention to the fact that their culture is different - and they do not necessarily want the same culture as everyone else!

As LI says, it tends to be the redtops (which still includes the mirror, despite it's attempts to upmarket itself!) which seize on these situations and inflame them. Sensationalism in the media is never a good thing, especially when it's aimed at those who believe that the world revolves around Trisha and the only truth comes before you get to the tits on Page 3.....but as we all know, some of the broadsheets (and ex-broadsheets) have been known to gently push a party line occasionally. If in doubt, consider the amount of space that a paper devotes to a front page revelation story about a celeb - and then compare that to the 3/4" of page 37 that it devotes to a retraction and apology when it's sources have been "poorly judged". Papers are there to sell, and they aren't really too bothered how they achieve the figures.

 

[SJ's Love Monkey]

It says a lot about the shi... country we now live in when you cannot play the English National Athem without offending some tosser, who you probably allowed to move here from a third world country, and paid for them to do it.

The St George cross is now seen more as a racist statement, than the English flag, where as in most countries to flag your national flag is seen as a normal thing to do. Over here they'd make you take it down in case you offend any one!!

Any way I'm gonna stop now before I say something to get me in trouble.

Totally agree this place has become a shambles

 

[The Large One]

I find it ironic and hilarious that somewhere so far from the coast should want to adopt 'Sailing' as its anthem.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

vladipisstake =

Oh dear did I upset poor little hamptons feelings. Mind you I suppose you've been a bit emotional this week what with John Tyndall's death.

 

[shingle]

I think you'll find is tabloid Sun/Daily Mail twisting stories like this and whipping them up to the point of incitement that keep rightwing extremist groups alive.

Let's get real, Angels by Robbie is the English national anthem, either that or fecking Wonderwall.

Yeah right

 

[London Irish]

True but in New York thay are no longer supposed to use the world 'Christmas' but use the expression 'Holiday's instead. There was a real row when Macy's wasn't allowed to have a Christmas scene in it's main windows.

It is a bit stupid in any circumstances.

I'm afraid this is exactly the kind of half-myths that keep the racists in business, bhaexpress.

In America, there is a very good debate about the rigid seperation of church and state - and moves to ensure that Christian symbolism do not dominate public (ie tax-payer funded) spaces like parks, courts and town halls.

There are no laws on what happens in private spaces like Macy's shop windows. That is just a plain lie. Macy's would have taken this decision out of respect for the sensitivities of non-Christians, which is their perfect right. Christians have no right to dictate that shops must put cribs in their window FFS!

America was a country founded partly due to religious persecution in Europe. That's why they have a very mature debate on the seperation of church and state.

 

[Hampden Park]

Oh dear did I upset poor little hamptons feelings. Mind you I suppose you've been a bit emotional this week what with John Tyndall's death.

not at all vladispisstake.

who was John Tyndall anyway?

 

[bhaexpress]

I'm afraid this is exactly the kind of half-myths that keep the racists in business, bhaexpress.

In America, there is a very good debate about the rigid seperation of church and state - and moves to ensure that Christian symbolism do not dominate public (ie tax-payer funded) spaces like parks, courts and town halls.

There are no laws on what happens in private spaces like Macy's shop windows. That is just a plain lie. Macy's would have taken this decision out of respect for the sensitivities of non-Christians, which is their perfect right. Christians have no right to dictate that shops must put cribs in their window FFS!

America was a country founded partly due to religious persecution in Europe. That's why they have a very mature debate on the seperation of church and state.

You think ? No state schools have religion as part of their ciricular yet having spent a lot of time there I find their religious extremism quite dreadful. I thought catholics where hypercritical until I met Southern Baptists.

As far as Macy's is concerned there is no law compelling them to ignore Christmas it was just felt to be PC.

One thing I did find extroadinary was the efforts that the good people of Oklahoma City (mainly Baptists) went to to try to prevent the building of a Morman Temple. They failed but not for want of trying.

Oklahoma though, like many US states has a very poor education system. Being primarily Baptist though they don't approve of gambling and so are one of the few American States to have no lottery. hat's where most states get the revenue to shore up the education system. That however is more than a little ironic as Oklahoma (being flat and very dry and hard to farm) was where the Native Americans ended up being dumped. They have loads of small cassinos now within Oklahoma State lines but as they're on Indian land it's all quite legal.

The point is that I personally believe that all the politcal correctness is ridiculous. I've personally never known a non Christian to complain about not having to work on Christmas Day and having Good Friday and Easter Monday off.

 

[Strike]

It says a lot about the shi... country we now live in when you cannot play the English National Athem without offending some tosser, who you probably allowed to move here from a third world country, and paid for them to do it.

The St George cross is now seen more as a racist statement, than the English flag, where as in most countries to flag your national flag is seen as a normal thing to do. Over here they'd make you take it down in case you offend any one!!

Any way I'm gonna stop now before I say something to get me in trouble.

Agree as well.

 

[bhaexpress]

It says a lot about the shi... country we now live in when you cannot play the English National Athem without offending some tosser, who you probably allowed to move here from a third world country, and paid for them to do it.

The St George cross is now seen more as a racist statement, than the English flag, where as in most countries to flag your national flag is seen as a normal thing to do. Over here they'd make you take it down in case you offend any one!!

Any way I'm gonna stop now before I say something to get me in trouble.

I have to agree, it makes no difference whether you were born here or not. This is our culture and if you don't like it then go and live somewhere where your views are the norm. I doubt that any Arabic country will modify it's attitude to accomodate the culture of the ex pats that help to keep their countries running for example. By the same token my ex wife was a croupier as I know that more than a few 'strict Moslems' would gamble, drink and whore all in total contravention of the Koran as this country allowed them too.

 

[RexCathedra]

Help a benighted Yank out.

I thought "Land of Hope and Glory" was the de facto Conservative Party anthem, and "Jersualem" was ditto for Labour.

Could this be part of the problem?

And if it is, what is the LDP's de facto anthem? "Get Down, Boogie-oogie-oogie" by Taste O' Honey is, so far as I know, up for grabs.

 

[rool]

Help a benighted Yank out.

I thought "Land of Hope and Glory" was the de facto Conservative Party anthem, and "Jersualem" was ditto for Labour.

Could this be part of the problem?

And if it is, what is the LDP's de facto anthem? "Get Down, Boogie-oogie-oogie" by Taste O' Honey is, so far as I know, up for grabs.

Chirpy, chirpy , cheep, cheep I thought

 

[bhaexpress]

Help a benighted Yank out.

I thought "Land of Hope and Glory" was the de facto Conservative Party anthem, and "Jersualem" was ditto for Labour.

Could this be part of the problem?

And if it is, what is the LDP's de facto anthem? "Get Down, Boogie-oogie-oogie" by Taste O' Honey is, so far as I know, up for grabs.

The tories have no anthem of their own as such but Labour have 'The Red Flag'. a ditty compsed many years ago which now has little to do with Labour's right of centre politics.

The LDP have the 'Impossible Dream' I gather.