Winston Churchill

[ThePompousPaladin]

Neither was I, it's not difficult , you stated there was ' very little America or our little battered Island' could do about Stalin at the end of the war, I said that the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki may disagree with that premise, the clue is in the fvcking bombs that America posessed and had already dropped on the said cities.

According to history 'we' did look at the options around Russia, and seeing their war machine was finally up to full speed, it was fairly obvious they'd give us a good kicking.
Yes we could have nuked half the planet back into the stone age eventually.
But i think you're missing something here - we'd have to do that to avoid the 'cold war', so we'd have a terrible 'hot' war killing millions of innocents nuking russia left right and centre (whilst their army was in europe) to avoid a war that never happened.

I'm not saying you don't have a point, there was perhaps more leverage to have been used, but perhaps that leverage was already used, and hence we're not all speaking Russian now?

 

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According to history 'we' did look at the options around Russia, and seeing their war machine was finally up to full speed, it was fairly obvious they'd give us a good kicking.
Yes we could have nuked half the planet back into the stone age eventuanlly.
But i think you're missing something here - we'd have to do that to avoid the 'cold war', so we'd have a terrible 'hot' war killing millions of innocents nuking russia left right and centre (whilst their army was in europe) to avoid a war that never happened.

I'm not saying you don't have a point, there was perhaps more leverage to have been used, but perhaps that leverage was already used, and hence we're not all speaking Russian now?

it's not obvious at all, they still relied on us for a lot of supplies , ever heard of the Russian convoys ? And it's not like we didn't have a war machine ourselves, the soviet army of the time, and subsequently through to the present day to be fair , has always been primitive and lacking in technical sophistication equipment wise, they've relied on numerical superiority and they still didn't have an easy victory against a German army fighting on two fronts , who were largely demoralised and suffering from poor logistics.

 

[BensGrandad]

Did he not say after the end of the war that one day Germany will rule Europe and he has been proved correct.

 

[wallington seagull]

A nice story about Churchill! - During the war, my mother worked at Orpington station and Churchill often changed trains there on his way to Chartwell. One day he said "you're looking very happy today dear." To which my mum replied "Yes, my brother is coming home on leave this evening." Churchill disappeared and returned a few minutes later with a bottle of champagne and one of his large cigars. "Tell him to enjoy these" he said.
If only my mum had kept these and given them to me - would be worth thousands!

 

[GT49er]

Went to primary school in Hove of course. Wonder if he ever went to the Godstone.

He'd have been the oldest primary school pupil in history if he had!

 

[GT49er]

He also had a thing about English grammar, one rule was never finish a sentence with a preposition.

"This is an outrage up with which I shall not put"

He probably knew when and where to use a comma too!

 

[ThePompousPaladin]

it's not obvious at all, they still relied on us for a lot of supplies , ever heard of the Russian convoys ? And it's not like we didn't have a war machine ourselves, the soviet army of the time, and subsequently through to the present day to be fair , has always been primitive and lacking in technical sophistication equipment wise, they've relied on numerical superiority and they still didn't have an easy victory against a German army fighting on two fronts , who were largely demoralised and suffering from poor logistics.

I have heard of lend lease and the convoys.
I still think it was pretty obvious they'd give us a kicking. All they'd have to do is wait for the americans to go back home. There are reasons that it started from a stalemate position, the facts of history show us this. The atomic bombs were the ace in the hole that produced the stalemate. Arguing against the actual events seems odd.

i would like to point out that it's generally accepted that the second world war was won on the eastern front. Germany's army was by far superior to any individual countries, and yet the russians beat them. This from a country that only managed to fully industrialise by the end of the war.

Anyhow, i think we can agree that Churchill was the right man at the right time.

 

[Notters]

He'd have been the oldest primary school pupil in history if he had!

Haha fair point.

 

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I have heard of lend lease and the convoys.
I still think it was pretty obvious they'd give us a kicking. All they'd have to do is wait for the americans to go back home. There are reasons that it started from a stalemate position, the facts of history show us this. The atomic bombs were the ace in the hole that produced the stalemate. Arguing against the actual events seems odd.

i would like to point out that it's generally accepted that the second world war was won on the eastern front. Germany's army was by far superior to any individual countries, and yet the russians beat them. This from a country that only managed to fully industrialise by the end of the war.

Anyhow, i think we can agree that Churchill was the right man at the right time.

by 'us' I meant the Americans as well.