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Wilson Palacios







BensGrandad

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Jul 13, 2003
72,015
Haywards Heath
How many more defensive type midfielders do we need. We need an attacking one to complement the strikers or even a ball playing one to provide the ammunition for the strikers.
 


Bladders

Twats everywhere
Jun 22, 2012
13,672
The Troubadour
How many more defensive type midfielders do we need. We need an attacking one to complement the strikers or even a ball playing one to provide the ammunition for the strikers.


Indeed we do BG, i can only presume we have irons in all these DM fires as most will go elsewhere as soon as wages are discussed.
 


somerset

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Jul 14, 2003
6,600
Yatton, North Somerset
Indeed we do BG, i can only presume we have irons in all these DM fires as most will go elsewhere as soon as wages are discussed.
......ain't that the truth.....
 


mejonaNO12 aka riskit

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Dec 4, 2003
21,922
England
Indeed we do BG, i can only presume we have irons in all these DM fires as most will go elsewhere as soon as wages are discussed.

Apart from Toko (only just joined) and Ince (still very raw) who would you classify as a proper DM? we have Kemy but again there are issues there. I may be missing one but I can't think of any others.

I certainly wouldnt be classifying Crofts or Stephens as one if that's who you're thinking of.

On the presumption that we would play two DM's, we certainly need one more.
 




Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
17,773
Fiveways
Apart from Toko (only just joined) and Ince (still very raw) who would you classify as a proper DM? we have Kemy but again there are issues there. I may be missing one but I can't think of any others.

I certainly wouldnt be classifying Crofts or Stephens as one if that's who you're thinking of.

On the presumption that we would play two DM's, we certainly need one more.

Toko and Ince are the best suited, but I'm of the view that all six of our current midfielders (Toko, Ince, Crofts, Stephens, JFC and Kemy) could play the defensive role in a 4-2-3-1 formation.
 








mejonaNO12 aka riskit

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Dec 4, 2003
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England
The last DM Sami would have worked with was German International Lars Bender who is rumoured to sign for Arsenal for just under £20m. Bit of a difference in standards isn't it? :lolol:
 








JBizzle

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Apr 18, 2010
6,230
Seaford
Toko and Ince are the best suited, but I'm of the view that all six of our current midfielders (Toko, Ince, Crofts, Stephens, JFC and Kemy) could play the defensive role in a 4-2-3-1 formation.

Although I agree, I find that the DM role tends to require a certain type of player or a specialist to perform it truly to a high standard. Toko is clearly the standout candidate for 1st choice with Ince as 2nd, but I have real issues with forcing square pegs into round holes.

If nothing else, look at Steven Gerrard: A very good player, moved back into that role. Sure, he's competent, but that's it. You need someone who is either completely selfless as a player, or someone who really enjoys disrupting the play. Toko and Ince have those qualities, the rest don't to the required level. In that role, I tend to find a defender is better suited.
 


crodonilson

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Jan 17, 2005
14,062
Lyme Regis
Palacios is likely to be on huge wages compared to what we can afford, unless he was willing to take a very sizeable wage drop I doubt it's a go-er.
 






Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
17,773
Fiveways
Although I agree, I find that the DM role tends to require a certain type of player or a specialist to perform it truly to a high standard. Toko is clearly the standout candidate for 1st choice with Ince as 2nd, but I have real issues with forcing square pegs into round holes.

If nothing else, look at Steven Gerrard: A very good player, moved back into that role. Sure, he's competent, but that's it. You need someone who is either completely selfless as a player, or someone who really enjoys disrupting the play. Toko and Ince have those qualities, the rest don't to the required level. In that role, I tend to find a defender is better suited.

I think it becomes a really 'specialist' position when there's only one in there, whereas when you're playing a 4-2-3-1, you need some variety, ideally with one positionally-wise and metronomically-passing, as in Makelele or Bridcutt, and the other more dynamic, box-to-box. Toko probably will do the former (I've only seen him play for 45 mins, but the youtube video we were sent suggests he looks highly competent in this role), Ince can do both, whereas the other four could do the latter.
 


JBizzle

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Apr 18, 2010
6,230
Seaford
I think it becomes a really 'specialist' position when there's only one in there, whereas when you're playing a 4-2-3-1, you need some variety, ideally with one positionally-wise and metronomically-passing, as in Makelele or Bridcutt, and the other more dynamic, box-to-box. Toko probably will do the former (I've only seen him play for 45 mins, but the youtube video we were sent suggests he looks highly competent in this role), Ince can do both, whereas the other four could do the latter.

Absolutely, and I truly hope that we limit the amount of times we play Ince and Toko together as is severly limits our attacking options. I just tend to prefer 3 specialists in case one or, God forbid, both gets injured.

I would suggest 4-1-2-2-1 will be our most used formation this year with 4-2-3-1 only coming into play in togher away games.
 


Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
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Jul 16, 2003
58,792
hassocks
Anyone who is thinking this would be a good signing clearly doesnt watch football outside of the chamionsip or hasn't done so for a while.

Fat and slow and not the player he was at Wigan. I'm sure Kinky Gerbils will tell you how pony he was at the end of his Spurs spell.


I feel for Wilson,

When he was first here he was Brilliant, his passing was a bit suspect but he wasnt in the side for that.

Then the whole situation with his brother reached a head and he wasn't the same after (who would be) this wasn't helped by injuries mounting up either.

He is a shadow of the player he was, but if you could get him fit and his head is back on football he would be one of the best players in the league in what he would be doing - that is a big IF
 


Munkfish

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May 1, 2006
12,089
I feel for Wilson,

When he was first here he was Brilliant, his passing was a bit suspect but he wasnt in the side for that.

Then the whole situation with his brother reached a head and he wasn't the same after (who would be) this wasn't helped by injuries mounting up either.

He is a shadow of the player he was, but if you could get him fit and his head is back on football he would be one of the best players in the league in what he would be doing - that is a big IF

Better late than never!

I think players have provern that dropping down a league can work at the Albion and it worked brilliantly with Upson and Bridge. Not too sure with Wilson, but if we were to sign him I would happily be proved wrong.
 




Kinky Gerbil

Im The Scatman
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Jul 16, 2003
58,792
hassocks
Better late than never!

I think players have provern that dropping down a league can work at the Albion and it worked brilliantly with Upson and Bridge. Not too sure with Wilson, but if we were to sign him I would happily be proved wrong.

Meh, festively late.
 


Lurchy

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Jul 2, 2014
2,422
Apparently he's currently on 26k a week and has two years left on his contract with Stoke, if the club can't justify half that for Ward, really can't see Wilson rocking up at the Amex anytime soon.
 


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