Will / should Hodgson resign if we go out in the Group phase?

[The Large One]

Yes, he should go, he has a hang dog look and manner that I think is rubbing off on the players, younger, more dynamic please, especially as there is green shoots of a new generation of young players starting to push aside the old guard.

He should go because of how he looks?

THE WINNER.

 

[The Large One]

To be honest, it is a shambles which is more of a joke than even England's recent series of tournament debacles over the last 16 years.

We need a tactical genius to get the best out of the current crop of England players, and Hodgson isn't that in my opinion.

We need a early years coaching to get the players to get up to the level required in the first place. We wouldn't need a 'tactical genius' then.

But, for the sake of this argument - who is this tactical genius of whom you desire?

 

[sparkie]

I think Roy has to take some of the blame, before we came to the World Cup, nobody knew who the starting eleven would be for sure. The point of the warm up games, is surely to give the starting eleven as much time together to bond as a team. I see far to many friendlies where the players have half a game and they keep chucking subs on. We need a settled team that is used to playing together, yes use the friendlies to introduce young talent, but surely that would be just one or two at a time and coming on for the last twenty to build the experience.
As for the game last night, SG should have come off at half time, Baines is not good enough defensively, Wayne played where most pundits wanted him to play and yes he had a good game, however it seems at the expense of everyone else. We played a lot better on Friday, so was the change for the better?.
As for long term, the problem is not that we do not have talented youngsters, it's that the big clubs pay them big wages and do not play or develop them. They send a few out on loan to clubs who will pay the money and invest little time in development that they are happy to not work as hard. As for the big clubs it's about stopping other teams getting the youngsters, then about them wanting them. The way forward is for clubs like us to develop young talent.

Agree entirely.

 

[sparkie]

We need a early years coaching to get the players to get up to the level required in the first place. We wouldn't need a 'tactical genius' then.

But, for the sake of this argument - who is this tactical genius of whom you desire?

I don't have a specific individual in mind today - that discussion is for when England are looking for a manager, and will require some time to ponder the possibilities. My point is that in my opinion it isn't Hodgson.

 

[somerset]

He should go because of how he looks?

THE WINNER.

You do realise that man management requires that the manager have an inspirational and commanding presence...... it serves to deliver the message, in the right manner.

Wind your neck in.......

 

[WhingForPresident]

No doubt? None whatsoever?

Nope. He will get sacked. Not saying I think that's right necessarily as you seem to be insinuating, but worst World Cup performance in 60+ years = sacked.

 

[somerset]

Nope. He will get sacked. Not saying I think that's right necessarily as you seem to be insinuating, but worst World Cup performance in 60+ years = sacked.

Including form players like Lallana, Barkley, Lambert in the squad, then barely using them.

 

[The Large One]

You do realise that man management requires that the manager have an inspirational and commanding presence...... it serves to deliver the message, in the right manner.

You have no idea how he delivers his management style, nor how it's received. Just because his public persona is one of quiet intelligence, and that he talks to the players like grown-ups, it doesn't automatically follow he doesn't have an inspirational and commanding presence.

 

[The Large One]

Nope. He will get sacked. Not saying I think that's right necessarily as you seem to be insinuating, but worst World Cup performance in 60+ years = sacked.

Ah yes, football is to be judged on a results-only basis.

Worst World Cup performance? As opposed to the games in 2010 against, say, USA or Algeria? And what happened to the performances in 1974, 1978 and 1994 - when we didn't even qualify?

 

[spring hall convert]

You have no idea how he delivers his management style, nor how it's received. Just because his public persona is one of quiet intelligence, and that he talks to the players like grown-ups, it doesn't automatically follow he doesn't have an inspirational and commanding presence.

I saw an interview when Hodgoson was appointed with Paul Ince who played under a fair few fiery managers in his time, he said that Hodgson was the scariest manager he played under in his whole career (when Ince was at Inter.) I've also heard it off the record from 2 pals that work at the FA that, although he is said to have mellowed, he is a far different beast behind closed doors than he is in front of the cameras.

 

[somerset]

You have no idea how he delivers his management style, nor how it's received. Just because his public persona is one of quiet intelligence, and that he talks to the players like grown-ups, it doesn't automatically follow he doesn't have an inspirational and commanding presence.

Equally, it doesn't say he has. When I interview for new staff, outward appearances and personality are the first, and often most powerful indicator of how the session is going to go, not the only one considered in the final reckoning of course, but a powerful influence nonetheless.

 

[The Large One]

Equally, it doesn't say he has.

But you're the who's made an assumption that his demeanour is a problem.

When I interview for new staff, outward appearances and personality are the first, and often most powerful indicator of how the session is going to go, not the only one considered in the final reckoning of course, but a powerful influence nonetheless.

Right. And...?

 

[MattBackHome]

I like his demeanour. But then I'm not a professional footballer.

 

[WhingForPresident]

Ah yes, football is to be judged on a results-only basis.

Worst World Cup performance? As opposed to the games in 2010 against, say, USA or Algeria? And what happened to the performances in 1974, 1978 and 1994 - when we didn't even qualify?

How did I know you would try and twist that.. I mean PERFORMANCE not performances.

First time since 1958 that we have gone out in the group stages. First time ever that we have lost our first two games. Therefore this is our worst performance at a World Cup.

 

[Mellotron]

Hodgson should STAY. Partly because the alternatives mostly don't bear thinking about.

 

[somerset]

But you're the who's made an assumption that his demeanour is a problem.



Right. And...?

Bye

 

[fratsomrover]

I hope Hodgson stays. I think he is a good manager and coach.
The fact is there are hardly any English world class players.
Our premier league has too many overseas players and there are not enough opportunities for home grown English talent to break through.
It was a good squad, but it was not a world class squad and until we promote more opportunity for our own young talent, England will always fail at this level.
I expect Gerrard/Lampard will quit International football and Hodgson must be allowed to work on the upcoming talent such as Walcott, Sterling, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sturridge, Lallana. We also desperately need a good young centre forward. Not sure Lambert is the answer and dont know anyone who is coming through. It seems there are very few centre forwards who are English playing at the top level, so we need to address that for a start.

 

[Icy Gull]

I would be happy for him to stay but I can't say I really care one way or the other. I think he may quit if we lose the third game.

 

[Elvis]

Whether he stays or goes I think that in the future qualification to a major tournament should be seen as success. Gone are the days when we can realisticly beleave we can get to a quarter or semi, it pains me to say it but there are too many countries that are producing more quality players than us.

 

[Seagull over Canaryland]

I hope Hodgson now has the courage to give more youngsters a chance. Our main problem is in defence so give Shaw, Stones and Flanagan a proper go. Maybe retain Cahill as he does have more international experience and gives me more assurance than Jagielka.

I kept looking at the England central defence last night and recalling just how classy and assuring Upson was for us (and England).