Will England fans really sing the French national anthem tomorrow?

[Herr Tubthumper]

I know this will sound like a true stereotypical story but it's true and reminds me of when I was driving up through France and stopped in a service station to fill up.
The guy in front of me in the queue to pay was English, he made absolutely no attempt to even give the pump number in French let alone anything else as he got louder and louder the guy behind the kiosk just kept shrugging his shoulders saying "Je non comprande pas"
I intervened in my very very basic French and got him served.
My turn, right then here we go. "Yes my friend, what can I get for you?" he spoke perfect English.

This happens a lot and not just France. If you have some moron you don't like the best and easiest way to annoy/frustrate him is to roll the shutters down on the language. Seen it happen numerous times.

 

[highway61]

Quite simple answer here. Yes I will hum along, at home to both anthems tonight. Yes my social media profile currently has tricolor. I dont feel anything wrong about either action. People who dont want to sing it, dont. really is that simple

 

[portlock seagull]

Two things are bound to happen tonight

1. England for the first time will actually win a game when we're supposed to lose if ever there were an occasion. Typical England!
2. Just as the big moment arrives, the world is watching to see Opposing fans uniquely sing another national anthem and the only reason to tune into this game basically...ITV WILL CUT TO ADVERTS AND MISS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE OCCASION. Queue mass social media outrage hysteria...

 

[portlock seagull]

I hope not.

A National Anthem is an anthem of a country. I would not sing the French National Anthem in the same way I wouldn't sing The Star Spangled Banner, Advance Australia Fair, Land of our Fathers, Flower of Scotland etc

I have no love of God Save the Queen; it's an outdated, boring dirge. But it's what we're lumbered with so I will show my respect to my country's anthem and sing it. But no, I wouldn't sing another country's anthem and I hope the England fans tonight don't either.

In fairness most of those aren't national anthems as you know - and only someone annoying would point out...ow that's me here isn't it?!

 

[portlock seagull]

This happens a lot and not just France. If you have some moron you don't like the best and easiest way to annoy/frustrate him is to roll the shutters down on the language. Seen it happen numerous times.

I do this with northerners.

 

[Elvis]

Is patriotism really measured by how many times someone has seen the national football team play in away games?
If it is, call me a traitor to our country, I haven't been to any. Still, all the hoolies who dragged our name through the mud all over Europe in the 70s and 80s could teach me a thing or two about patriotism.

I was merely backing up the point that I have heard many anthems sang in their hosting nations. To back up the point that I find GSTQ quite dour in comparison with many Countries anthems.

 

[Vegas Seagull]

I wonder how many false threatening phone calls the police will get and ignore for tonight's game?

 

[Mr Bridger]

I wonder how many false threatening phone calls the police will get and ignore for tonight's game?

I'll f@cking ring em and find out

 

[lawros left foot]

They have just shown England fans singing La Marseilles on the One Show.









Even X factor was better than that!

 

[Nibble]

Anyway. To show I'm not a complete humbug here is a phonetic version of their anthem for those wishing to join in.

 

[Tony Towner's Fridge]

Fantastic..really proud...really proud...!!!

Vive La France, vive Liberte!

TNBA

TTF

 

[W.C.]

Fantastic..really proud...really proud...!!!

Vive La France, vive Liberte!

TNBA

TTF

This.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

M

Now is not the time to get into a debate about France and its conduct in the war, however the only thing that distinguished France as an ally was its deep distrust of Great Britain, based on our shared history and a doubt that GB could eventually overcome Germany.

Vichy France was the most vigorous example of this prejudice and defeatism actively operating against GB and subsequently the allies, fighting hard particularly in North Africa, after operation Torch. Casablanca is of course just fiction.

In France itself collaboration was widespread and deep, typically the rich and powerful happy to jump into bed with the Germans, no other country in Europe was more complicit, the Oscar nominated "The sorrow and the pity" gets to the guts of this the truth, which is why it was banned in France for nearly 20 years.

Educate yourself.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/...-Against-France-Fighting-Vichy-1940-1942.html

Have you ever heard of the French resistance? Have you ever visited any of the parts of France where there are memorials by the side of the road which say things like "this is where three members of the FFI were brought from hospital by the SS and shot because of their resistance activities". Have you ever heard of or visited Oradour sur Glanne, in the Perigord Vert, where a whole village was destroyed after its inhabitants had been rounded up and shot in the Church. Have you ever heard about the resistance activities which supported the allied retaking of Southern France around Provence.

Yes, there was collaboration, but there are two sides to every story. We have some very good friends in Alsace who have told us of the dangers children ran in harrying German troops and then running off in to the forests that they knew so well, of the whole extended family standing with all the windows open singing la Marsellaise fiercely proudly as German Troops marched past.

The seeming dismissal of a whole nation as "cheese eating surrender monkeys really annoys me and is far from the truth.

 

[Chicken Run]

This happens a lot and not just France. If you have some moron you don't like the best and easiest way to annoy/frustrate him is to roll the shutters down on the language. Seen it happen numerous times.

I would imagine your proverbial shutters are down more than they are up wouldn't you say?

 

[Bold Seagull]

M

Have you ever heard of the French resistance? Have you ever visited any of the parts of France where there are memorials by the side of the road which say things like "this is where three members of the FFI were brought from hospital by the SS and shot because of their resistance activities". Have you ever heard of or visited Oradour sur Glanne, in the Perigord Vert, where a whole village was destroyed after its inhabitants had been rounded up and shot in the Church. Have you ever heard about the resistance activities which supported the allied retaking of Southern France around Provence.

Yes, there was collaboration, but there are two sides to every story. We have some very good friends in Alsace who have told us of the dangers children ran in harrying German troops and then running off in to the forests that they knew so well, of the whole extended family standing with all the windows open singing la Marsellaise fiercely proudly as German Troops marched past.

The seeming dismissal of a whole nation as "cheese eating surrender monkeys really annoys me and is far from the truth.

Of course it is, I'm surprised you've taken the bite. I've resisted the urge, despite the classic start of: Now is not the time to get into a debate about France and its conduct in the war, however...

 

[sydney]

M


Yes, there was garlic , cheese and the occasional onion .

"cheese eating surrender monkeys "

 

[cunning fergus]

M

Have you ever heard of the French resistance? Have you ever visited any of the parts of France where there are memorials by the side of the road which say things like "this is where three members of the FFI were brought from hospital by the SS and shot because of their resistance activities". Have you ever heard of or visited Oradour sur Glanne, in the Perigord Vert, where a whole village was destroyed after its inhabitants had been rounded up and shot in the Church. Have you ever heard about the resistance activities which supported the allied retaking of Southern France around Provence.

Yes, there was collaboration, but there are two sides to every story. We have some very good friends in Alsace who have told us of the dangers children ran in harrying German troops and then running off in to the forests that they knew so well, of the whole extended family standing with all the windows open singing la Marsellaise fiercely proudly as German Troops marched past.

The seeming dismissal of a whole nation as "cheese eating surrender monkeys really annoys me and is far from the truth.

That's as maybe, however the overall picture of France in WW2 was not of a nation resisting German tyranny. The French state accepts this fact........

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1880118,00.html

I would also suggest this book (linked below), the author of whom (I understand) was recognised by the French state, despite this damning analysis of France during WW2.

The essential truth being that France embraced many of the consequences of occupation enthusiastically..........tragic but true.

That is not to damn the whole nation and its people as cheese eating surrender monkeys' as you quaintly put it, however if people are going to venerate France as a distinguished ally in WW2 then let's have the full story.

Not too much to ask is it?

http://cup.columbia.edu/book//9780231124690

 

[cunning fergus]

Of course it is, I'm surprised you've taken the bite. I've resisted the urge, despite the classic start of: Now is not the time to get into a debate about France and its conduct in the war, however...

No bite, please feel free to dismantle the conduct of Vichy France and its leaders, like Laval......the Malice......the Breton Nationalists (some of whom were granted asylum in Ireland at the end of the war).

Distinguished allies one and all............really knock yourself out.

 

[Bold Seagull]

No bite, please feel free to dismantle the conduct of Vichy France and its leaders, like Laval......the Malice......the Breton Nationalists (some of whom were granted asylum in Ireland at the end of the war).

Distinguished allies one and all............really knock yourself out.

Now is not the time....you said....

 

[cunning fergus]

Now is not the time....you said....

Absolutely, and you are quite right.........it is after all the most contentious part of my position here.

The rest will keep.

Chinchin.