Will Cummings go?

[vegster]

Wasn't Johnson sacked from the Cabinet for lying about his mistress having an abortion? (Sorry if someone else has pointed this out already).

Yes, sacked as junior shadow minister for denying an affair to his then leader Michael Howard... and then the truth came out.

 

[vegster]

With more and more Tory backbenchers going public with statements against Cummings (not all going as far as calling for him to be sacked), it's getting harder for Johnson to face this one down.

I'm genuinely intrigued to see which way it goes.

It'll probably end up with a contrition-free resignation, with a deal made for him to be ushered back in at the earliest opportunity. The longer this goes on and the bigger the furore, the harder it will be for him to sneak back in. I also think it's harder for Cummings to get back in if he holds out and forces Johnson to sack him.

Boris well be terrified of life without Cummings, but surely there has to be a time where he's so toxic, Johnson's hand is forced? It's a long road back from this if NOTHING happens to Cummings - particularly with the number of Tory MPs coming out against him.

This is the key fact, Johnson would not last long without him. This selected from Marina Hyde's Guardian opinion column today ….

" The thing about Johnson is that he desperately wanted to become prime minister, and he desperately wanted to have been prime minister. It’s just the bit in between he struggles with. With Othello, it was jealousy. Macbeth: ambition. Lear: pride. Johnson: career liar, hollowed out by narcissism, who not even his friends would joke was motivated by public service. I guess it’s the little things that trip you up, isn’t it?
Anyone who imagines his defence of Cummings is born of loyalty is unfamiliar with the concept “Boris Johnson”. This is actually a simple story: man with no ideas is too terrified to sack his ideas man. Or to put it in the complex intellectual terms it deserves, some street heckler once shouted at David Hasselhoff: “Oi! Hasselhoff! You’re nothing without your talking car!” Cummings is the talking car to Johnson’s Hasselhoff. "

 

[clapham_gull]

Maybe if they had shot Stephen Kinnock that would have sent out the right message.

It’s all a bit embarrassing.

It could and should have been handled better on every level but it’s hardly Watergate.

People won’t agree as they have a political agenda and are only point scoring.

If you are talking one rule for one etc, Kinnock Junior should also resign.

There is difference.

Kinnock did it very publicly by posting a picture on Twitter, stupidly thinking the picture would somehow promote social distancing.

In an odd way it helped the Police (and Government) because it help add colour to what unnecessary travel actually was.

However Kinnock was a **** and the Police told him so.

The Cummings incident is far far worse.

1) He helped draft the rules and along with Johnson has retrospectively re-defined them to help clear him.

2) It involves a number of breaches including that he returned to Westminster after is was clear his wife had symptoms.

That's before he went on his journey.

3) There was a premeditated cover up, Number 10 who were briefing journalists he in was London and his wife wrote a story in The Spectator clearly giving the impression they were.

After the uncertainty of the bug itself, we emerged from quarantine into the almost comical uncertainty of London lockdown.

You don't emerge into London from Durham, you travel there. She also wrote the he stayed in bed for ten days, which according to his statement he didn't. One sadness of his downfall is that his wife's reputation as a journalist in in tatters.

Kinnock broke the rules, but you can't compare them with what Cummings did.

He thought he was doing the correct thing him, number 10 and his wife wouldn't have attempted to make it look they didn't.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Maybe if they had shot Stephen Kinnock that would have sent out the right message.

It’s all a bit embarrassing.

It could and should have been handled better on every level but it’s hardly Watergate.

People won’t agree as they have a political agenda and are only point scoring.

If you are talking one rule for one etc, Kinnock Junior should also resign.

I find it amusing that those defending him bring out the politics card as the reason people are after him. It may be the case in some quarters but I’m pretty much apolitical, added to that it across the whole political spectrum. When Mrs Blue rinse ias in agreement with a tree hugger then you know it’s big.

The reason people are incensed is because he is taking the piss out of us, treating us with contempt. They think we are idiots.

The fact that they seem to think they can just move on is even more galling.


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[Bakero]

Don't bash the bishop

Wish him well.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Maybe if they had shot Stephen Kinnock that would have sent out the right message.

It’s all a bit embarrassing.

It could and should have been handled better on every level but it’s hardly Watergate.

People won’t agree as they have a political agenda and are only point scoring.

If you are talking one rule for one etc, Kinnock Junior should also resign.

Are some people never going to grasp what it means to be a rule maker at the heart of government with great political power but no accountability?

It’s not really political point scoring at all as there have been as many angry Tory and Brexit voting individuals as there have been those from the left.

The only ones really with a political agenda are those that treat government as their football team and they can’t say or will hear a bad word about them.

Last time I looked, Kinnock Jnr is not a minister in government, nor is he involved in any rule or policy making. So his inclusion is just pure whataboutery as it offers no defence of someone in power making policy and rules.

This really isn’t that difficult to comprehend. I think you must be batting no.4 for the NSC Cummings Cricket XI.

 

[Baker lite]

https://twitter.com/darrenplymouth/status/1265320103832363009?s=21


Marvellous.


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[Guinness Boy]

https://twitter.com/darrenplymouth/status/1265320103832363009?s=21


Marvellous.


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Definitely the media’s fault and not the Islington dwelling, establishment figure Cummings.


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[ManOfSussex]

https://twitter.com/darrenplymouth/status/1265320103832363009?s=21


Marvellous.


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I'm genuinely interested, because I didn't realise HM Forces were so ahead of things, but what things did they allow you to miss to get issued with a gun or whatever else when you joined the forces? Where you near any buttons or triggers that might have done something, or were polishing brass door knobs more your thing?

 

[monty uk]

https://twitter.com/darrenplymouth/status/1265320103832363009?s=21


Marvellous.


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At least Robert Peston, like Beth from Sky yesterday, ask questions that don't act like they are subservient. And do so because we want to hear those answers, although we rarely get them.

That was just after he cow-towed to his 'man of the cloth' to whom he promised a direct, personal response. Cringe.

So just wear a dog collar to get an answer from these weasles.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

https://twitter.com/darrenplymouth/status/1265320103832363009?s=21


Marvellous.


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It is because why didn’t Cummings have the foresight to organise child care. Let’s face it, he must have known he’d be a very busy man, after all being a senior member of the team during a crisis of a magnitude rarely seen before is always going to be a 9 to 5 job. The wanker.


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[Deportivo Seagull]

I'm genuinely interested, because I didn't realise HM Forces were so ahead of things, but what things did they allow you to miss to get issued with a gun or whatever else when you joined the forces? Where you near any buttons or triggers that might have done something, or were polishing brass door knobs more your thing?

The most dangerous thing in the world is a matelot with a gun. Having had the joy of doing range duty I can confirm that this is very much the case.


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[Chicken Run]

The most dangerous thing in the world is a matelot with a gun. Having had the joy of doing range duty I can confirm that this is very much the case.


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Indeed, the crew of HMS Astute will confirm this.

 

[SUA Seagull]

I have to share this - a ditty penned by my brother's teenage niece.


There was an old Tory called Dom
His wife called, she needed to vom.
"We're likely contagious,
But lockdown won't cage us!
Let's drive north and visit your mom".

So into the car they all piled;
Dom Cummings, his wife and their child.
To mom's residential,
A journey 'essential'
And symptoms apparently mild.

Then after Dom's fever and plight,
His vision just wasn't quite right.
"Opticians? Such hassle!
Let's drive to a castle** -
It's crucial for testing my sight".

So into the car they all piled;
Dom Cummings, his wife and their child.
A nice birthday outing
For lockdown-rule-flouting
And Covid The Killer just smiled.

**northern pronunciation required!

 

[lawros left foot]

During the height of an IRA bombing campaign, I was given a pick axe handle to patrol the perimeter of HMS Phoenix.
They said it was probably safer.

 

[Mellotron]

So, so shortsighted from Johnson.

If he had fired Cummings immediately, he would've gotten a big boost of popularity from both his party and the wider country - a leader being bold and strong, doing the right thing by the people. The people and the press would've moved on much more quickly, and the focus would be on the further easing of lockdown on 1st June.

He has completely invited the coming shitstorm on himself.

 

[ManOfSussex]

The most dangerous thing in the world is a matelot with a gun. Having had the joy of doing range duty I can confirm that this is very much the case.


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Ordinarily I would have said it was just a Hastings boy being refused another pint, but I'm happy to bow to your naval judgement sir.

 

[darkwolf666]

So, so shortsighted from Johnson.

If he had fired Cummings immediately, he would've gotten a big boost of popularity from both his party and the wider country - a leader being bold and strong, doing the right thing by the people. The people and the press would've moved on much more quickly, and the focus would be on the further easing of lockdown on 1st June.

He has completely invited the coming shitstorm on himself.

Apparently one of the new symptoms easily checked by a visit to an English Heritage property.

Next week's new symptom will be compulsive lying! Not so easily checked if a lot of your friends have also had symptoms too...

 

[Chicken Run]

I have to share this - a ditty penned by my brother's teenage niece.


There was an old Tory called Dom
His wife called, she needed to vom.
"We're likely contagious,
But lockdown won't cage us!
Let's drive north and visit your mom".

So into the car they all piled;
Dom Cummings, his wife and their child.
To mom's residential,
A journey 'essential'
And symptoms apparently mild.

Then after Dom's fever and plight,
His vision just wasn't quite right.
"Opticians? Such hassle!
Let's drive to a castle** -
It's crucial for testing my sight".

So into the car they all piled;
Dom Cummings, his wife and their child.
A nice birthday outing
For lockdown-rule-flouting
And Covid The Killer just smiled.

**northern pronunciation required!

Brilliant [emoji122]

 

[Chicken Run]

So, so shortsighted from Johnson.

If he had fired Cummings immediately, he would've gotten a big boost of popularity from both his party and the wider country - a leader being bold and strong, doing the right thing by the people. The people and the press would've moved on much more quickly, and the focus would be on the further easing of lockdown on 1st June.

He has completely invited the coming shitstorm on himself.

Totally agree.