Wilkins - what a coach

[Brovion]

That probably says more about his employer than it does about him.

Spot on.

 

[ROSM]

Long winded acknowledgement that you got it wrong, but anyway ....

Now, you gonna have to run past me the 'well documented' director of football that Wilkins turned down.

The vocal minority, as you call them were people that fell for the Adams shambles, yes including some board members, but primarily driven by an egotistical Chairman.

Why would you now accept that only one Board Member wanted Wilkins to stay, I am sure you readily accepted it was unanimous as offered at the time, come on, lighten up.

You just cannot change a manager that has got your club to 7th whilst evolving a playing staff through from the Centre of Excellence right through to its senior ranks.

You would have to be a fool ......... and there we have it.

I agree that we cannot know how dealing with TB might be for any current or future manager, but he is unlikely to sack a manager that might deliver him a 7th finish.

and that is why I love ya so much. You've given up telling me what to think and are now actually telling what what I think.

Wilkins was asked if he wanted to work with an experienced manager and he turned it down. He said that to me directly - he didn't say who it was. At the time I admired his self belief for that decision. I believe the Argus at the time reported this to be the case (hence why i say well documented) and the then chairman said that instead, he would be assisting with transfers. Not unreasonable as he had worked with all previous managers on transfers and Wilkins, as a coach or manager, had not been involved in any. Interestingly his involvement in transfers seems to have been part of the issue in the long run - oh for that senior experienced managerial help now then!

The vocal minority who were complaining about Wilkins may never have known about the disagreements with the chairman, or potential return of Adams but they were still, on here, spouting their views long before May 08.

I also said that the decision to appoint Adams was where I believe the one board members objection came from. i dont believe he was in principle against the removal of wilkins. You'll have to ask him that yourself.

And you can remove a manager who finishes 7th who is great working with kids - we did. That's the wonder of decisions you make them and you live by them. Knight did and has never shirked his responsibility for it.

 

[BigGully]

Oh I agree, I was merely postulating a hypothetical scenario. IF he'd been allowed to continue and IF he'd failed - well we'd all be saying he should have been sacked sooner and we wouldn't be discussing it AGAIN!

Personally I believe if he'd been allowed to continue we'd be in the Prem now!:yahoo:

What a stupid childish response ......

A limp excuse for poor decisions and judgement in any walk of life.

 

[BigGully]

and that is why I love ya so much. You've given up telling me what to think and are now actually telling what what I think.

Wilkins was asked if he wanted to work with an experienced manager and he turned it down. He said that to me directly - he didn't say who it was. At the time I admired his self belief for that decision. I believe the Argus at the time reported this to be the case (hence why i say well documented) and the then chairman said that instead, he would be assisting with transfers. Not unreasonable as he had worked with all previous managers on transfers and Wilkins, as a coach or manager, had not been involved in any. Interestingly his involvement in transfers seems to have been part of the issue in the long run - oh for that senior experienced managerial help now then!

The vocal minority who were complaining about Wilkins may never have known about the disagreements with the chairman, or potential return of Adams but they were still, on here, spouting their views long before May 08.

I also said that the decision to appoint Adams was where I believe the one board members objection came from. i dont believe he was in principle against the removal of wilkins. You'll have to ask him that yourself.

And you can remove a manager who finishes 7th who is great working with kids - we did. That's the wonder of decisions you make them and you live by them. Knight did and has never shirked his responsibility for it.

What a load of self serving waffle.

You believed the spin and no doubt you thought it was a good move to remove him, yet it has been an unmitigating disaster for this football club.

It wasn't even a difficult decision, just leave alone and support ANY manager that is offering some progress.

Slade's position is different, should we stick or bust, who knows, but the Wilkins decision was a stonewaller, only fools would think otherwise and regrettably we are reaping the penalties of this mindless footballing decision.

I am sure you were trumpeting Adams return and loved the cuddly Slade too, but we find ourself facing Div 4 football.

Yet undeterred you continue spout a view that you hope might allow you to wriggle out of the fact you have been proved wrong.

 

[Pavilionaire]

It's worth bearing in mind that more than 80% of NSC thought Slade should be offered the manager's job permanently after keeping us up. There's a lot of hindsight going down on this thread.

 

[ROSM]

It's not worked out well but hardly an unmitigated disaster. Come on get in the real world. In the grand scheme of life it is but a minor inconvenience

I don't believe I 'trumpeted' adams' return. I also don't recall even kazzoo ing slade's arrival.


As for being wrong. I'm used to it. But as Bill Gates says, you only have to be right 46% of the time to make a million on the stock market (or was that fred goodwin)

But waffle? And self serving? Well perhaps I shouldn't believe anything Wilkins' said. It's all a conspiracy, he was in on it. It's the Lizards. Nurse NURSE aaaaah

 

[BigGully]

It's not worked out well but hardly an unmitigated disaster. Come on get in the real world. In the grand scheme of life it is but a minor inconvenience

I don't believe I 'trumpeted' adams' return. I also don't recall even kazzoo ing slade's arrival.


As for being wrong. I'm used to it. But as Bill Gates says, you only have to be right 46% of the time to make a million on the stock market (or was that fred goodwin)

But waffle? And self serving? Well perhaps I shouldn't believe anything Wilkins' said. It's all a conspiracy, he was in on it. It's the Lizards. Nurse NURSE aaaaah

Fairplay, but that was even more waffling than your last post.

 

[BigGully]

It's worth bearing in mind that more than 80% of NSC thought Slade should be offered the manager's job permanently after keeping us up. There's a lot of hindsight going down on this thread.

The posters and people who were adamant of the poor decision to get rid of Wilkins are NOT basing their view on hindsight, that has been used as the excuse for those that got it wrong.

Its the guys that have been proved so wrong that seem to be cuddling up to the word hindsight.

Our views were made forcefully at the time without any help of that word hindsight.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Likewise...I haven't been to a game since then and if I am completely honest may never see the Albion play again. I used to wonder what turned people off supporting a club, could never really see it happening but then it did, sad really when you consider I had been watching the team play for more than a quarter of a century...I will however remain an Albion fan, even if I rarely offer direct support to the team.

I felt unbelievable disillusioned and could not believe the decision to sack an improving employee of 20 years for a old pals act and not for a business decision i have kept more enthusiasm since they moved Knight upstairs.

I suppose it's like finding out your wife's been with a man called Winston, you are going to take along time to trust her again!!

Dean could have been god for the Albion IMO and we have given him away.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

The posters and people who were adamant of the poor decision to get rid of Wilkins are NOT basing their view on hindsight, that has been used as the excuse for those that got it wrong.

Its the guys that have been proved so wrong that seem to be cuddling up to the word hindsight.

Our views were made forcefully at the time without any help of that word hindsight.

Agreed and there is certainly no smugness involved just the love our club - yes some of us made such an issue of it at the time like it or not we did have the foresight shame our chairman couldn't keep his ego out of it because ultimately as i said back then that decision COULD STILL cost the club administration.



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[vegster]

Please take your pick from John Barnes or Tony Adams.

The chatter is that John Barnes is going to be offered a position as coach for Rwanda, they must either have been impressed by his recent losing streak or do they want him to clear mines from the pitch ?

 

[Brovion]

What a stupid childish response ......

A limp excuse for poor decisions and judgement in any walk of life.

Eh? Why the hostility? I was AGREEING with you! Jeez.

It's worth bearing in mind that more than 80% of NSC thought Slade should be offered the manager's job permanently after keeping us up. There's a lot of hindsight going down on this thread.

I don't think there's any hindsight going on. At the end of last season Wilkins wasn't being proposed as manager and like a lot of people I was in favour of giving Slade the job permanently as we'd done enough chopping and changing and hoping we got lucky. I don't want to see him sacked for the same reasons.

This thread has more been a wistful 'what if' or a slightly plaintive 'why-oh-why' as people yet again bemoan the Wilkins sacking. Obviously we wouldn't be doing it if we were in the play-offs, but because Wilkins was 'sawn off' we can view him as some sort of martyred managerial Clough-like genius who would have lead us to the Premier League with a team of home-grown youngsters if only the board hadn't been so stupid - and no one can prove otherwise!

Yes, it's all a bit pointless and futile, but I think we're all just letting of steam.

 

[TonyW]

I was disappointed when he left from a football point of view, but he really didn't seem to have the backing of the players, so he had to go.

 

[king Wombat]

I think alot of us were a bit surprised when he got the boot. BUt it's water under the bridge now.

None of us know the reasons why he got the boot. Unless the club or wilkins come out with a clear statement of what the reasons were, that is the way it will stay.

People do keep hark on about what a great team that squad was, but from memory, it was only once the loan players came in that we started playing well.

There was absolutely NO guarantee, that had Wilkins been in charge the team would have progressed.

Finally, in real terms finishing 7th means no more than finishing 19th.. You don't get promoted, you don't get to the playoffs.